Posted by Steve IA on January 21, 2008, 5:34 pm
I'll try to cover this as clearly as possible, answering as many of the
questions that where raised as I can. I spoke at length with 2 reps of
the REC this morning. They were both sympathetic and helpful.
1. They do not estimate. They don't even physically read anymore. Every
27 hours or so each meter sends its progress back to the REC computer
which records this information. At the end of the cycle this data is
turned into a bill.
2. The data from the individual meter reports is available to the
customer in what is called a 'turtle' report. This shows meter reading
and usage for each ~27 hour period. Turtle info: http://tinyurl.com/yo3lcm
3. The REC said they were also surprised that the overall usage didn't
go down more than it did with the outage and all. They could offer no
explanation other than 'it was colder'. They didn't have the actual
Heating Degree Days!! They said they had considered including it on the
bills, but hadn't yet. I found the heating degree days at
www.weather.gov . Click on the map for your location then select
climate/local from the menu on the left side of the screen.
Locally Dec 07 had only 4% more HDD than average, but 31% more than 2006
which was unusually warm. A comparison with last years bill could be
misleading.
4. As I had suspected for some time during this discussion, there was
more than 1 thing going on, which clouded the issue:
a) the colder than last years temperatures which would increase usage
across all customers,despite the outage and (drum roll please)
b) My 'turtle' report showed I had days of increased usage starting Nov
23 and ending about Dec 23. Every day in this period was higher than my
22kwh/day 6-year average and some were 2X that average (44,48,49)!!!
Before 11/23 and after 12/23 and continuing until today, my usage has
been normal average.
Recap:
Oct 25 - Nov 22. Normal usage: 13-22 kwh/day 408kwh/28days.6kwh/day
Nov 23 - Dec 11. Extreme usage: 28-49 kwh/day 574/19 0.1
Dec 11 - Dec 17. No usage: power outage 0
Dec 18 - Dec 23. Extreme usage: 28-44 kwh/day 163/6 = 27.2
Dec 24 - Jan 21. Normal usage: 16-33 kwh/day 612/29 = 21.1
For some reason, which I'll probably never find out, we used an unusual
amount of electricity for nearly a month, interrupted, luckily, but the
power outage. Whatever the draw, it went away and as far as I know it
went on its own.
I plan to monitor my meter closely if not daily for a while.
Other answers:
The REC said they had many neutral lines down yet and they were
repairing them as the could, thus the 1 line vs. 2 line question.
Thanks for all the support and kind helpful input.
If I figure more out, I'll let you know.
If you have more comments/questions, fire away
Steve
--
"But every time I read the papers
That old feeling comes on.
We're waist deep in the Big Muddy
And the big fool says to push on."
-Pete Seeger
Posted by ransley on January 21, 2008, 6:06 pm
> I'll try to cover this as clearly as possible, answering as many of the
> questions that where raised as I can. I spoke at length with 2 reps of
> the REC this morning. They were both sympathetic and helpful.
> 1. They do not estimate. They don't even physically read anymore. Every
> 27 hours or so each meter sends its progress back to the REC computer
> which records this information. At the end of the cycle this data is
> turned into a bill.
> 2. The data from the individual meter reports is available to the
> customer in what is called a 'turtle' report. This shows meter reading
> and usage for each ~27 hour period. Turtle info:http://tinyurl.com/yo3lcm
> 3. The REC said they were also surprised that the overall usage didn't
> go down more than it did with the outage and all. They could offer no
> explanation other than 'it was colder'. They didn't have the actual
> Heating Degree Days!! They said they had considered including it on the
> bills, but hadn't yet. I found the heating degree days atwww.weather.gov . Click on the map for your location then select
> climate/local from the menu on the left side of the screen.
> Locally Dec 07 had only 4% more HDD than average, but 31% more than 2006
> which was unusually warm. A comparison with last years bill could be
> misleading.
> 4. As I had suspected for some time during this discussion, there was
> more than 1 thing going on, which clouded the issue:
> a) the colder than last years temperatures which would increase usage
> across all customers,despite the outage and (drum roll please)
> b) My 'turtle' report showed I had days of increased usage starting Nov
> 23 and ending about Dec 23. Every day in this period was higher than my
> 22kwh/day 6-year average and some were 2X that average (44,48,49)!!!
> Before 11/23 and after 12/23 and continuing until today, my usage has
> been normal average.
> Recap:
> Oct 25 - Nov 22. Normal usage: 13-22 kwh/day 408kwh/28days=14.6kwh/day
> Nov 23 - Dec 11. Extreme usage: 28-49 kwh/day 574/19 =30.1
> Dec 11 - Dec 17. No usage: power outage 0
> Dec 18 - Dec 23. Extreme usage: 28-44 kwh/day 163/6 = 27.2
> Dec 24 - Jan 21. Normal usage: 16-33 kwh/day 612/29 = 21.1
> For some reason, which I'll probably never find out, we used an unusual
> amount of electricity for nearly a month, interrupted, luckily, but the
> power outage. Whatever the draw, it went away and as far as I know it
> went on its own.
> I plan to monitor my meter closely if not daily for a while.
> Other answers:
> The REC said they had many neutral lines down yet and they were
> repairing them as the could, thus the 1 line vs. 2 line question.
> Thanks for all the support and kind helpful input.
> If I figure more out, I'll let you know.
> If you have more comments/questions, fire away
> Steve
> --
> "But every time I read the papers
> That old feeling comes on.
> We're waist deep in the Big Muddy
> And the big fool says to push on."
> -Pete Seeger
And the shortest day of the year is Dec 20 and your lights were on
earlier costing you more. its not lost, you used it.
Posted by hubops on January 21, 2008, 7:26 pm
The electric utility would not be expected to know/care
about "degree-days"... if they are not using estimates.
ie: if they are using smart meters - with daily computerized data
communications .... Hey ! maybe that is what happened (?)
The telecom was down, along with the power lines ?
.... and the smart-meter data was fudged ?
just a thought ;
JT
wrote:
>I'll try to cover this as clearly as possible, answering as many of the
>questions that where raised as I can. I spoke at length with 2 reps of
>the REC this morning. They were both sympathetic and helpful.
>1. They do not estimate. They don't even physically read anymore. Every
>27 hours or so each meter sends its progress back to the REC computer
>which records this information. At the end of the cycle this data is
>turned into a bill.
>2. The data from the individual meter reports is available to the
>customer in what is called a 'turtle' report. This shows meter reading
>and usage for each ~27 hour period. Turtle info: http://tinyurl.com/yo3lcm
>3. The REC said they were also surprised that the overall usage didn't
>go down more than it did with the outage and all. They could offer no
>explanation other than 'it was colder'. They didn't have the actual
>Heating Degree Days!! They said they had considered including it on the
>bills, but hadn't yet. I found the heating degree days at
>www.weather.gov . Click on the map for your location then select
>climate/local from the menu on the left side of the screen.
>Locally Dec 07 had only 4% more HDD than average, but 31% more than 2006
>which was unusually warm. A comparison with last years bill could be
>misleading.
>4. As I had suspected for some time during this discussion, there was
>more than 1 thing going on, which clouded the issue:
>a) the colder than last years temperatures which would increase usage
>across all customers,despite the outage and (drum roll please)
>b) My 'turtle' report showed I had days of increased usage starting Nov
>23 and ending about Dec 23. Every day in this period was higher than my
>22kwh/day 6-year average and some were 2X that average (44,48,49)!!!
>Before 11/23 and after 12/23 and continuing until today, my usage has
>been normal average.
>Recap:
>Oct 25 - Nov 22. Normal usage: 13-22 kwh/day 408kwh/28days.6kwh/day
>Nov 23 - Dec 11. Extreme usage: 28-49 kwh/day 574/19 0.1
>Dec 11 - Dec 17. No usage: power outage 0
>Dec 18 - Dec 23. Extreme usage: 28-44 kwh/day 163/6 = 27.2
>Dec 24 - Jan 21. Normal usage: 16-33 kwh/day 612/29 = 21.1
>For some reason, which I'll probably never find out, we used an unusual
>amount of electricity for nearly a month, interrupted, luckily, but the
>power outage. Whatever the draw, it went away and as far as I know it
>went on its own.
>I plan to monitor my meter closely if not daily for a while.
>Other answers:
>The REC said they had many neutral lines down yet and they were
>repairing them as the could, thus the 1 line vs. 2 line question.
>Thanks for all the support and kind helpful input.
>If I figure more out, I'll let you know.
>If you have more comments/questions, fire away
>Steve
Posted by BobG on January 21, 2008, 7:55 pm
> Hey ! �maybe that is what happened (?)
> The telecom was down, along with the power lines ?
> .... and the smart-meter data was fudged ?
> �just a thought ;
==========================
=========================
By Jove I think he's got it..... damn 'smart' meter is just another
boat anchor when the power is off.
Posted by Neon John on January 21, 2008, 8:17 pm
>I'll try to cover this as clearly as possible, answering as many of the
>questions that where raised as I can. I spoke at length with 2 reps of
>the REC this morning. They were both sympathetic and helpful.
>1. They do not estimate. They don't even physically read anymore. Every
>27 hours or so each meter sends its progress back to the REC computer
>which records this information. At the end of the cycle this data is
>turned into a bill.
So you have a self-reading meter. That's nice. If you'd told us that in the
first
place it would have saved all of us a lot of time and effort.
>2. The data from the individual meter reports is available to the
>customer in what is called a 'turtle' report. This shows meter reading
>and usage for each ~27 hour period. Turtle info: http://tinyurl.com/yo3lcm
You're lucky. You have the good self-reader. This one uses a conventional
electromechanical meter with an add-on module that optically reads the wheel.
Very
reliable and in the event the electronics get knocked out, the register is still
there for manual reading.
>3. The REC said they were also surprised that the overall usage didn't
>go down more than it did with the outage and all. They could offer no
>explanation other than 'it was colder'. They didn't have the actual
>Heating Degree Days!! They said they had considered including it on the
>bills, but hadn't yet. I found the heating degree days at
>www.weather.gov . Click on the map for your location then select
>climate/local from the menu on the left side of the screen.
>Locally Dec 07 had only 4% more HDD than average, but 31% more than 2006
>which was unusually warm. A comparison with last years bill could be
>misleading.
>4. As I had suspected for some time during this discussion, there was
>more than 1 thing going on, which clouded the issue:
You suspected? Geez, that's what several of us were trying to hammer into your
hard
head!
>a) the colder than last years temperatures which would increase usage
>across all customers,despite the outage and (drum roll please)
>b) My 'turtle' report showed I had days of increased usage starting Nov
>23 and ending about Dec 23. Every day in this period was higher than my
>22kwh/day 6-year average and some were 2X that average (44,48,49)!!!
>Before 11/23 and after 12/23 and continuing until today, my usage has
>been normal average.
>Recap:
>Oct 25 - Nov 22. Normal usage: 13-22 kwh/day 408kwh/28days.6kwh/day
>Nov 23 - Dec 11. Extreme usage: 28-49 kwh/day 574/19 0.1
>Dec 11 - Dec 17. No usage: power outage 0
>Dec 18 - Dec 23. Extreme usage: 28-44 kwh/day 163/6 = 27.2
>Dec 24 - Jan 21. Normal usage: 16-33 kwh/day 612/29 = 21.1
>For some reason, which I'll probably never find out, we used an unusual
>amount of electricity for nearly a month, interrupted, luckily, but the
>power outage. Whatever the draw, it went away and as far as I know it
>went on its own.
In other words, the storm disrupted your normal activities, which is what I said
in
my last post in this thread.
>I plan to monitor my meter closely if not daily for a while.
I'm not sure that'll do much for you since you can call up your turtle report on
the
web.
If you're THAT concerned then perhaps you should get one of the several available
instruments that connects to your service and displays on an inside display
real-time
usage as well as cumulative stats for the month. Some even have alarms that can
be
set to warn you when your rate-of-use exceeds a certain value. And some can send
data to your computer so you can trend data yourself.
John
--
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> questions that where raised as I can. I spoke at length with 2 reps of
> the REC this morning. They were both sympathetic and helpful.
> 1. They do not estimate. They don't even physically read anymore. Every
> 27 hours or so each meter sends its progress back to the REC computer
> which records this information. At the end of the cycle this data is
> turned into a bill.
> 2. The data from the individual meter reports is available to the
> customer in what is called a 'turtle' report. This shows meter reading
> and usage for each ~27 hour period. Turtle info:http://tinyurl.com/yo3lcm
> 3. The REC said they were also surprised that the overall usage didn't
> go down more than it did with the outage and all. They could offer no
> explanation other than 'it was colder'. They didn't have the actual
> Heating Degree Days!! They said they had considered including it on the
> bills, but hadn't yet. I found the heating degree days atwww.weather.gov . Click on the map for your location then select
> climate/local from the menu on the left side of the screen.
> Locally Dec 07 had only 4% more HDD than average, but 31% more than 2006
> which was unusually warm. A comparison with last years bill could be
> misleading.
> 4. As I had suspected for some time during this discussion, there was
> more than 1 thing going on, which clouded the issue:
> a) the colder than last years temperatures which would increase usage
> across all customers,despite the outage and (drum roll please)
> b) My 'turtle' report showed I had days of increased usage starting Nov
> 23 and ending about Dec 23. Every day in this period was higher than my
> 22kwh/day 6-year average and some were 2X that average (44,48,49)!!!
> Before 11/23 and after 12/23 and continuing until today, my usage has
> been normal average.
> Recap:
> Oct 25 - Nov 22. Normal usage: 13-22 kwh/day 408kwh/28days=14.6kwh/day
> Nov 23 - Dec 11. Extreme usage: 28-49 kwh/day 574/19 =30.1
> Dec 11 - Dec 17. No usage: power outage 0
> Dec 18 - Dec 23. Extreme usage: 28-44 kwh/day 163/6 = 27.2
> Dec 24 - Jan 21. Normal usage: 16-33 kwh/day 612/29 = 21.1
> For some reason, which I'll probably never find out, we used an unusual
> amount of electricity for nearly a month, interrupted, luckily, but the
> power outage. Whatever the draw, it went away and as far as I know it
> went on its own.
> I plan to monitor my meter closely if not daily for a while.
> Other answers:
> The REC said they had many neutral lines down yet and they were
> repairing them as the could, thus the 1 line vs. 2 line question.
> Thanks for all the support and kind helpful input.
> If I figure more out, I'll let you know.
> If you have more comments/questions, fire away
> Steve
> --
> "But every time I read the papers
> That old feeling comes on.
> We're waist deep in the Big Muddy
> And the big fool says to push on."
> -Pete Seeger