Posted by ghio on June 9, 2009, 1:26 am
On Jun 9, 2:58am, wmbjkREM...@citlink.net wrote:
> wrote:
> >On Jun 8, 12:31am, wmbjkREM...@citlink.net wrote:
> >> wrote:
> >> >On Jun 7, 9:04am, wmbjkREM...@citlink.net wrote:
> >> >That makes 50 hours a year at 2kWs by your own statement
> >> So what? It costs an average of about $ per month. How is that
> >> supposed to make something wrong with a level of self-sufficiency
> >> that's unmatched by anyone else you've ever heard of?
> <continued silence from ghinius george ghio>
> >Not trying to fool anyone.
> That's *all* you're trying to do. It's about all you *ever* do. The
> fact is that you can't name anyone with a more self-sufficient home
> than mine, and yet there isn't a single part of it that you haven't
> invented fault with. You do exactly the same thing with *every* person
> who's ever ridiculed your BS.
I can in fact name several, but I'm pretty sure that they don't want
to be pestered by you.
> >> >No, a simple statement of fact, My current total energy use is 49568MJ/
> >> >year. This figure is for my total energy use including vehicle(s).
> >> As usual, you try to muddy the water by adding in vehicles. No matter,
> >> it was easy to back them out as I did below.
> >> >> solar 1.8%
> >> >> propane burning 22.38%
> >> >> gasoline burning 9.02%
> >> >> wood burning 66.8%
> >> >Incorrect and out of date, I monitor my energy use constantly.
> >> And yet you haven't bothered to post this phantom update despite being
> >> repeatedly invited to do so.
> >I posted it just above. Guess that makes you a liar, again.
> You just wrote that it's incorrect and out of date. Oh wait, now
> you're talking about that useless and deliberately deceptive MJ
> number, which translates to 37.7 kWh per day including vehicles,
> versus 113.54kWh from just 18 months ago!http://groups.google.com/group/alt.energy.renewable/msg/249f789c542aa226
> Based on your history of making things up as you go along, the smart
> money says that you *did not* cut your energy use by anything close to
> 67%, but instead applied the mother of all pencil whippings to the
> numbers. In fact, to get down to 37.7, you would have needed to wipe
> out all of the vehicle LPG, plus most of the wood burning. That
> accounting would be laughably transparent, which is why you can't post
> it and must keep changing units and talking in circles instead.
The only one that can't get it right is you. I keep a running total of
all energy use. My current usage without vehicles is 17638MJ/year.
It is interesting that you find the use of Mega Joules deceptive
considering what MJs are:
Joule - Symbol: J - The SI unit of energy.
Mega - Symbol: M - A prefix to a unit, denoting a multiple of 10 to
the power of 6.
> >> Everybody reading this thread *knows*
> >> that you probably spent days trying to change the facts by applying
> >> your infamous ghinius BS math scils to the problem. But you ran into a
> >> little issue, right, nitwit? Even if you halved all the other energy
> >> sources, the solar portion would still be a measly 3.6%.
> >I don't need to change any thing. The numbers are what they are.
> No, as we've seen above, they're whatever your latest massaging and
> misdirecting makes them into. But no matter how hard you work at that,
> they can't help but demonstrate a miserable and embarrassingly small
> percentage of solar energy that you're too cowardly to own up to in
> plain English.
Again, my current energy use excluding vehicles is 17638MJ/year.
> >> >And you are correct, there is far more to ones
> >> >energy use than electricity
> >> Then why did you write "the percentage of the energy for my house
> >> produced by PV is 98.6%/year"? It's either a writing error or a silly
> >> lie. Either way, your own riteeng has advertised your helplessness yet
> >> again.
> >I also wrote "Ah yes, but my statement has all the validity of your
> >claim of 97.4%.
> Ah, so your theeery is that it's OK for you to lie, because you lie
> about me lying! The problem with that is, nobody needs to take my word
> for anything since they can just do the math themselves. 2kW of
> tracked PV and 1kW of wind power on a good site. Solar water heating,
> mostly solar space heating. No propane. Ground-source heat pumps. Very
> little backup fuel. Now, some other places may have done better. But
> no matter how anyone spins my setup, it will always be *the* most
> self-sufficient off-grid home *you've* ever heard of.
As is so often the case, you get what you give.
> >He spouts all sorts of drivel to muddy the water.
> That's pretty funny coming from you. Why do you never say how much
> fuel your "solar powered" home uses? Instead you always provide
> numbers with vehicles thrown in to supply (im)plausible deniability.
> Plus you kept exaggerating until it became utterly impossible.
Again, my current energy use excluding vehicles is 17638MJ/year.
> See for yourself:
> "There is no spin. Average 20 Litres per week"http://groups.google.com/group/alt.energy.homepower/msg/2272764fbfccc27a
Yes that was true while I was doing the heave part of building, mixing
concrete, welding, lighting in the winter so I could finish raking the
mortar joints. But then you would not know about such things as you
have never built your own home, just hired a string of contractors to
do it for you.
> That was already hard to believe considering that it supposedly
> included vehicle consumption. But then only 2 years later you took it
> up a few notches with some blatant revisionist history:
> "my petrol use is, as it has been for many years, an average of twenty
> liters per fortnight. The bulk of this is for the motorcycle which is
> used for transport to and from school (280 KM a week). The rest is
> used to run the tractor, chainsaw and of course the generator"http://groups.google.com/group/alt.energy.homepower/msg/3e7486014f8fb2f
You see, Rimmer, that is also out of date. The Matchless has been sold
and the SR decided to drop a valve. I'm still sourcing parts for the
repairs, but it's winter and I am not currently enrolled in a course.
> If <snorf> that motorcycle got 67 mpg, there wouldn't be a drop of
> fuel left for anything else. So why would anyone in their right mind
> believe a word you say about fuel consumption?
Ah yes, the Rimmer explanation. I also said that the bike was topped
up while in town. The SR has a quite small tank. And the topping up
fuel is accounted in the over all fuel use for vehicles.
> > His over production amounts to 302,950Ahs a year
> Wow, that's pretty impressive! About 20kWh per day average that I
> don't even use! <bullhorn> NITWIT! Back slowly away from the
> calculator!
> > and he has to make up a short fall!
> <Cloris Leachman imitation from Young Frankenstein> Yes, I, I, I have
> a, a, A SHORTFALL! <sniffling> And I use a backup generator! <breaking
> down into tears> It costs $ per month, and I only get 98% of my home
> energy from sun and wind! I repent, I will get some propane tanks and
> another generator like ghinius george! Too funny.
Well, Rimmer, the figures are yours. You claim to be able to produce
up to 30kWhs a day which is more than your batteries can actually
hold, even from totally flat. The rest is either thrown away as heat
or you have to be home during daylight hours to use it. All that
capacity and you still have a 5000Ah deficit.
The 30kWhrs is your claim.
The 5000Ah deficit is your claim.
The truth is that you have no idea what your system produces or uses.
You did not design the system, you copied it with no regard to your
actual energy needs. When the system failed to meet your real needs
you just kept adding panels to it until it would work, at least during
daylight hours. You can't prove any different.
For those of you who are not familiar with Arnold Rimmer, refer to the
British TV program "RED DWARF". Arnold Rimmer, Technician 2nd class.
Best described as a Smeg Head.
> Wayne AKA Rimmer
Posted by wmbjkREMOVE on June 9, 2009, 7:00 pm
wrote:
>On Jun 9, 2:58 am, wmbjkREM...@citlink.net wrote:
>> wrote:
>>
>> >On Jun 8, 12:31 am, wmbjkREM...@citlink.net wrote:
>> >> wrote:
>>The
>> fact is that you can't name anyone with a more self-sufficient home
>> than mine, and yet there isn't a single part of it that you haven't
>> invented fault with. You do exactly the same thing with *every* person
>> who's ever ridiculed your BS.
>I can in fact name several, but I'm pretty sure that they don't want
>to be pestered by you.
LOL Oh sure, another of the secrets you can't reveal. We can always
count on weasel george for yet another pathetically weak excuse. It's
safe to assume that you won't explain how these places do so much
better than you, or why you haven't criticized *their* tiny need of a
backup generator.
>My current usage without vehicles is 17638MJ/year.
That's 13.4kWh per day. Yet only 18 months ago
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.energy.renewable/msg/249f789c542aa226
you said it was nearly 5 times as much! So now we're supposed to
believe that the total miraculously became 3 times less than the
wood-burning portion alone used to be. Does the secret involve
magic-mass again?
WTF is wrong with you? Even with the indefensible new BS number, the
solar portion would *still* be <9%! I can only imagine how much abuse
you inflicted on your calculator to come up with what I accurately
predicted would be "a miserable and embarrassingly small percentage".
>It is interesting that you find the use of Mega Joules deceptive
>considering what MJs are:
Everybody knows what they are, nitwit. The point is that you always
prefer to obfuscate by changing units, implying that you have
information that you won't share, and mixing in immaterial nonsense.
>the numbers are what they are.
>> No, as we've seen above, they're whatever your latest massaging and
>> misdirecting makes them into. But no matter how hard you work at that,
>> they can't help but demonstrate a miserable and embarrassingly small
>> percentage of solar energy that you're too cowardly to own up to in
>> plain English.
>Again, my current energy use excluding vehicles is 17638MJ/year.
Again, you're blurting out everything *but* the solar percentage of
your home's energy. Obviously plain English is a foreign concept on
planet ghinius. When discussing self-sufficiency, everybody else I
know will simply admit where they could do better. You're the only one
pigheaded enough to talk in circles around the issue, and pretend that
more fuel is better, and that doing-without is great so long as it's
part of the "design".
>> See for yourself:
>>
>> "There is no spin. Average 20 Litres per
week"http://groups.google.com/group/alt.energy.homepower/msg/2272764fbfccc27a
>Yes that was true while I was doing the heave part of building, mixing
>concrete, welding, lighting in the winter
That was back when your posts occasionally had a slim connection to
reality, not that I ever believed that number. Regardless, it's
clearly contradicted by what you wrote below...
>> "my petrol use is, as it has been for many years, an average of twenty
>> liters per fortnight. The bulk of this is for the motorcycle which is
>> used for transport to and from school (280 KM a week). The rest is
>> used to run the tractor, chainsaw and of course the generator"
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.energy.homepower/msg/3e7486014f8fb2f
"Many years" would include the period less than 2 years earlier, Mr.
Edatir. The continuous self-serving elaboration begs the question: how
is anyone supposed to choose which, if any, of your stories to
believe?
> that is also out of date. The Matchless has been sold
>and the SR decided to drop a valve. I'm still sourcing parts for the
>repairs, but it's winter and I am not currently enrolled in a course.
Nobody cares about the history of your strawman vehicles and courses.
The fact is that the fuel numbers you gave in the above quote are
*impossible*. All the irrelevant bafflegab does is remind readers of
your intractably deceptive nature.
>> If <snorf> that motorcycle got 67 mpg, there wouldn't be a drop of
>> fuel left for anything else. So why would anyone in their right mind
>> believe a word you say about fuel consumption?
> I also said that the bike was topped
>up while in town.
Whatdaya' know, yet another secret number that does nothing to explain
why you tried to deceive readers in the first place, or why you keep
trying the same silly tricks no matter how many times you get caught.
> You claim to be able to produce
>up to 30kWhs a day
Who cares what I claim? Do the math, 30kWh is the max that 2kW of
tracked PV and 1kW of wind can generate on a good day on my site.
> which is more than your batteries can actually
>hold, even from totally flat. The rest is either thrown away as heat
>or you have to be home during daylight hours to use it.
So what? The excess energy is an unavoidable byproduct of having both
sun and wind power. If I can make use of the excess, great. If not
then the only thing it's costing is a little more wear and tear on the
turbine. In the last 8 years I may have spent $0 total on that, so it
would be fair to call the wasted portion perhaps $0, or about the
price of a cup of coffee per year. Contrast that with the benefits of
wind power over solar, such as potentially zero hours per day battery
discharge time to name just one.
BTW, if you had any experience with the combination of sun and wind
power, then you'd know that it's the solar controller that cuts back
first, so there isn't necessarily any wind energy dumped as heat. In
fact, on windy days I frequently see only a couple of kWhrs on the
MX60 daily production log, coupled with many hours of float time.
> All that
>capacity and you still have a 5000Ah deficit.
So what? It takes an average of ~1 hour of (small) generator time per
week to make up, and costs ~$ per month. Why can't you say in plain
English *how* that's supposed to be a problem?
But since you're trying so hard to make it seem like a problem and a
competition, here are the facts: Even if we take your word for your
total generator time, it's *twice* as long as mine! What is the point
of "design" if you ended up with twice the generator time of a place
that generates 10 times the electricity and is probably 50 times more
self-sufficient?
Wayne
Attention Googlebots: george ghio, bealiba, Renegade writing (sic)
http://www.citlink.net/~wmbjk/tbfduwisdumb.htm
Posted by ghio on June 10, 2009, 12:39 am
On Jun 10, 5:00am, wmbjkREM...@citlink.net wrote:
> wrote:
> >On Jun 9, 2:58am, wmbjkREM...@citlink.net wrote:
> >> wrote:
> >> >On Jun 8, 12:31am, wmbjkREM...@citlink.net wrote:
> >> >> wrote:
> >>The
> >> fact is that you can't name anyone with a more self-sufficient home
> >> than mine, and yet there isn't a single part of it that you haven't
> >> invented fault with. You do exactly the same thing with *every* person
> >> who's ever ridiculed your BS.
> >I can in fact name several, but I'm pretty sure that they don't want
> >to be pestered by you.
> LOL Oh sure, another of the secrets you can't reveal. We can always
> count on weasel george for yet another pathetically weak excuse. It's
> safe to assume that you won't explain how these places do so much
> better than you, or why you haven't criticized *their* tiny need of a
> backup generator.
> >My current usage without vehicles is 17638MJ/year.
> That's 13.4kWh per day. Yet only 18 months agohttp://groups.google.com/group/alt.energy.renewable/msg/249f789c542aa226
> you said it was nearly 5 times as much! So now we're supposed to
> believe that the total miraculously became 3 times less than the
> wood-burning portion alone used to be. Does the secret involve
> magic-mass again?
I just keep getting more efficient with my energy use.
> WTF is wrong with you? Even with the indefensible new BS number, the
> solar portion would *still* be <9%! I can only imagine how much abuse
> you inflicted on your calculator to come up with what I accurately
> predicted would be "a miserable and embarrassingly small percentage".
The point is not the energy use but the efficiency of energy use. As
far as PV goes that means a correctly designed system. This is of
course something you have failed in. By your own numbers you produce
more than 300,000 Ahs than you can can possibly store.
When it comes to percentages the only percentage that matters is the
comparison between like things, this means electricity production. My
electricity production provides 97.6% of my electrical needs and my
short fall can be measured in Ahs, unlike you whose short fall is
measured in thousands of Ahs.
> >It is interesting that you find the use of Mega Joules deceptive
> >considering what MJs are:
> Everybody knows what they are, nitwit. The point is that you always
> prefer to obfuscate by changing units, implying that you have
> information that you won't share, and mixing in immaterial nonsense.
If everybody knows what they are then MJs can hardly be called
deceptive. MJs are correct when discussing a mix of energy.
> >the numbers are what they are.
> >> No, as we've seen above, they're whatever your latest massaging and
> >> misdirecting makes them into. But no matter how hard you work at that,
> >> they can't help but demonstrate a miserable and embarrassingly small
> >> percentage of solar energy that you're too cowardly to own up to in
> >> plain English.
> >Again, my current energy use excluding vehicles is 17638MJ/year.
> Again, you're blurting out everything *but* the solar percentage of
> your home's energy. Obviously plain English is a foreign concept on
> planet ghinius. When discussing self-sufficiency, everybody else I
> know will simply admit where they could do better. You're the only one
> pigheaded enough to talk in circles around the issue, and pretend that
> more fuel is better, and that doing-without is great so long as it's
> part of the "design".
As pointed out above, when it comes to percentages the only percentage
that matters is the comparison between like things, this means
electricity production. My electricity production provides 97.6% of my
electrical needs and my short fall can be measured in Ahs, unlike you
whose short fall is measured in thousands of Ahs.
> >> See for yourself:
> >> "There is no spin. Average 20 Litres per week"http://groups.google.com/group/alt.energy.homepower/msg/2272764fbfccc27a
> >Yes that was true while I was doing the heave part of building, mixing
> >concrete, welding, lighting in the winter
> That was back when your posts occasionally had a slim connection to
> reality, not that I ever believed that number. Regardless, it's
> clearly contradicted by what you wrote below...
> >> "my petrol use is, as it has been for many years, an average of twenty
> >> liters per fortnight. The bulk of this is for the motorcycle which is
> >> used for transport to and from school (280 KM a week). The rest is
> >> used to run the tractor, chainsaw and of course the generator"
> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.energy.homepower/msg/3e7486014f8fb2f
> "Many years" would include the period less than 2 years earlier, Mr.
> Edatir. The continuous self-serving elaboration begs the question: how
> is anyone supposed to choose which, if any, of your stories to
> believe?
People would do well to believe what I have always said, you have
never designed a system nor have you built you own house. Your system
has a short fall of some 5000 Ahs and an over production of some
300,000 Ahs by your own numbers.
> > that is also out of date. The Matchless has been sold
> >and the SR decided to drop a valve. I'm still sourcing parts for the
> >repairs, but it's winter and I am not currently enrolled in a course.
> Nobody cares about the history of your strawman vehicles and courses.
> The fact is that the fuel numbers you gave in the above quote are
> *impossible*. All the irrelevant bafflegab does is remind readers of
> your intractably deceptive nature.
I have reduced my energy use. end of story. My numbers are correct at
this time.
> >> If <snorf> that motorcycle got 67 mpg, there wouldn't be a drop of
> >> fuel left for anything else. So why would anyone in their right mind
> >> believe a word you say about fuel consumption?
> > I also said that the bike was topped
> >up while in town.
> Whatdaya' know, yet another secret number that does nothing to explain
> why you tried to deceive readers in the first place, or why you keep
> trying the same silly tricks no matter how many times you get caught.
No, Rimmer, this was explained to you several years ago, it just suits
your needs to ignore it. Omission is a lie just as much as saying
untrue things.
> > You claim to be able to produce
> >up to 30kWhs a day
> Who cares what I claim? Do the math, 30kWh is the max that 2kW of
> tracked PV and 1kW of wind can generate on a good day on my site.
It is also a 300,000 Ah over production Which you fail to make good
use of. If your design was really a "design" then you would not have a
5000Ah deficit. But then you didn't design your system. You copied a
system that was a nicely balanced 24V system that you thought would do
what you wanted, of course it didn't simply because you were only
guessing at your energy requirements.
> > which is more than your batteries can actually
> >hold, even from totally flat. The rest is either thrown away as heat
> >or you have to be home during daylight hours to use it.
> So what? The excess energy is an unavoidable byproduct of having both
> sun and wind power. If I can make use of the excess, great. If not
> then the only thing it's costing is a little more wear and tear on the
> turbine. In the last 8 years I may have spent $0 total on that, so it
> would be fair to call the wasted portion perhaps $0, or about the
> price of a cup of coffee per year. Contrast that with the benefits of
> wind power over solar, such as potentially zero hours per day battery
> discharge time to name just one.
Yes excess energy is always unavoidable to some extent, but only you
would raise that to a level that would run a small town.
> BTW, if you had any experience with the combination of sun and wind
> power, then you'd know that it's the solar controller that cuts back
> first, so there isn't necessarily any wind energy dumped as heat. In
> fact, on windy days I frequently see only a couple of kWhrs on the
> MX60 daily production log, coupled with many hours of float time.
Oh, so that 300,000 Ah over production is some how dissipated with out
producing heat. When can we expect to see your dissertation on your
news laws for the conservation of energy?
> > All that
> >capacity and you still have a 5000Ah deficit.
> So what? It takes an average of ~1 hour of (small) generator time per
> week to make up, and costs ~$ per month. Why can't you say in plain
> English *how* that's supposed to be a problem?
300,000Ahs excess and 5000Ahs short fall for the same system. That is
not the hall mark of great design.
> But since you're trying so hard to make it seem like a problem and a
> competition, here are the facts: Even if we take your word for your
> total generator time, it's *twice* as long as mine! What is the point
> of "design" if you ended up with twice the generator time of a place
> that generates 10 times the electricity and is probably 50 times more
> self-sufficient?
As I said before, a competition would require you to provide all the
data, such as every item you run, how long it is run for and how much
energy each item uses.
You keep talking about my generator time. This is again a matter of
comparing like with like. Your generator is connected to your house.
My generator is not connected to my house and as a point of fact there
is no place to connect my generator to my house. Therefore there is no
comparison to be made.
> Wayne
> Attention Googlebots: george ghio, bealiba, Renegade writing (sic)http://www.citlink.net/~wmbjk/tbfduwisdumb.htm
Posted by wmbjkREMOVE on June 10, 2009, 6:31 pm
wrote:
>On Jun 10, 5:00 am, wmbjkREM...@citlink.net wrote:
>> wrote:
>>
>> >On Jun 9, 2:58 am, wmbjkREM...@citlink.net wrote:
>> >> wrote:
>>
>> >> >On Jun 8, 12:31 am, wmbjkREM...@citlink.net wrote:
>> >> >> wrote:
>> >I can in fact name several, but I'm pretty sure that they don't want
>> >to be pestered by you.
>> LOL Oh sure, another of the secrets you can't reveal. We can always
>> count on weasel george for yet another pathetically weak excuse. It's
>> safe to assume that you won't explain how these places do so much
>> better than you, or why you haven't criticized *their* tiny need of a
>> backup generator.
Why do you remain silent about these "several" phantom homes that are
more than 98% self-sufficient? They would almost have to be
all-electric homes, and there are damned few of those off-grid. Other
than mine, where are they?
>> >My current usage without vehicles is 17638MJ/year.
>> That's 13.4kWh per day. Yet only 18 months ago
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.energy.renewable/msg/249f789c542aa226
>> you said it was nearly 5 times as much! So now we're supposed to
>> believe that the total miraculously became 3 times less than the
>> wood-burning portion alone used to be. Does the secret involve
>> magic-mass again?
>I just keep getting more efficient with my energy use.
How the hell could you have gone from 66kWh per day to 13 in 18
months? It's a ludicrous proposition, which is why you'll keep
repeating it without any explanation. Surely you're proud of this
dramatic alleged reduction. Then why are you keeping the details a
secret?
>> WTF is wrong with you? Even with the indefensible new BS number, the
>> solar portion would *still* be <9%! I can only imagine how much abuse
>> you inflicted on your calculator to come up with what I accurately
>> predicted would be "a miserable and embarrassingly small percentage".
>The point is not the energy use but the efficiency of energy use.
Yes, but you can't just write a new number, you have to make physical
changes. In your case they'd need to be drastic, and yet you haven't
mentioned any changes at all! 18 months ago you wrote that the wood
burning alone was the equivalent of 44kWh per day. Now you say that
the total including the wood burning is only 13kWh per day. Who do you
expect to believe that?
>When it comes to percentages the only percentage that matters is the
>comparison between like things, this means electricity production. My
>electricity production provides 97.6% of my electrical needs
No, that's pure BS. Here
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.solar.photovoltaic/msg/d0f5b3ef5091cd3f?dmode=source
you said that you run a generator 80 minutes per week. Since you need
a generator for every load over a few hundred watts, nobody believed
that 80 minutes was enough. But even so, 80 minutes at 1kW is 13% of
your total electrical energy, and that's before your backup use or any
other generator-supplied needs is counted. Your accounting is just
plain silly.
>If everybody knows what they are then MJs can hardly be called
>deceptive. MJs are correct when discussing a mix of energy.
The why did you use kWhrs here?
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.energy.renewable/msg/249f789c542aa226
The irony is that switching back and forth hasn't helped you in the
slightest.
>when it comes to percentages the only percentage
>that matters is the comparison between like things, this means
>electricity production. My electricity production provides 97.6% of my
>electrical needs
No nitwit, what counts is the end result, and in your case that means
a whole lot of propane, generator fuel, wood cutting/splitting/labor,
and a level of doing without that only you are goofy enough to be
proud of.
>People would do well to believe what I have always said
The fact that they don't ought to tell you something. If you had half
a brain, then whenever you get caught making things up you'd apologize
and correct the story. Instead you build the BS pile higher and higher
every single time.
>I have reduced my energy use. end of story.
So you say, but given the outrageousness of the alleged reduction, and
your history of posting numbers that you make up as you go along, who
would be foolish enough to believe your latest story?
>> > You claim to be able to produce
>> >up to 30kWhs a day
>> Who cares what I claim? Do the math, 30kWh is the max that 2kW of
>> tracked PV and 1kW of wind can generate on a good day on my site.
>It is also a 300,000 Ah over production
No, that would be 20kWh per day. The only way we could have that level
of overproduction is if we had full sun every day *and* high winds 24
hours per day. That scenario exists nowhere but in your defective
mind. But if we did have that much overproduction, it would be enough
to power an electric car! Only you are wacked enough to claim that
something like that would be a deficiency.
>Yes excess energy is always unavoidable to some extent, but only you
>would raise that to a level that would run a small town.
LOL So not only do we have 20kWh per day excess, and not only is
that a problem, but it's also enough to run a small town! A small town
of nutty "power consultants" perhaps....
>> BTW, if you had any experience with the combination of sun and wind
>> power, then you'd know that it's the solar controller that cuts back
>> first, so there isn't necessarily any wind energy dumped as heat. In
>> fact, on windy days I frequently see only a couple of kWhrs on the
>> MX60 daily production log, coupled with many hours of float time.
>Oh, so that 300,000 Ah over production is some how dissipated with out
>producing heat. When can we expect to see your dissertation on your
>news laws for the conservation of energy?
Can you not read? The only heat-producing regulator is on the turbine.
But when there's excess wind power, the solar controller shuts down
the PV output, and therefore the turbine doesn't need much or any
regulating. When there's wind but no sun, there's also little need for
turbine regulating. The main time that the wind power is regulated is
when we wake up to both wind and sun after a windy night. In that
case, the batteries are already full, and if we don't have
discretionary loads to absorb the excess, then it gets dumped. So
what?
>300,000Ahs excess
It's hilarious that you made up that number and keep claiming that I
have an excess that's 17 times more than your daily production. In
what reality would that make you appear competent?
>Your generator is connected to your house.
Yes, that's how it's normally done. That way the generator can be used
to best advantage.
>My generator is not connected to my house and as a point of fact there
>is no place to connect my generator to my house.
No, you have one generator connected to the house for backup, and
another to power any load over a few hundred watts, but only if those
loads are outside the house where your "cloths washing" is.
If you'd done it the normal way instead, you'd have only needed one
generator. Then anytime you were running the loads that the solar
setup can't handle, the generator could also make up shortfalls
if/when needed. Of course, that would have required more than pretend
"design".
There are two ways you could improve your place to compete with the
level of self-sufficiency that "several" people you know <snorf> have
achieved.
1. Install tracking and more PV and wind power and solar water heating
and ground source heat pumps. Sound familiar? But since you haven't
done any of that after all these years, then you'll find it easier
to...
2. Reduce your total daily load to 1.2kWh per day, by employing the
same technique you used to reduce it from 66 to 13kWh. Since it took
18 months to make the reductions so far, it should only take another 4
months to go the rest of the way!
Wayne
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Posted by ghio on June 11, 2009, 2:36 am
On Jun 11, 4:31am, wmbjkREM...@citlink.net wrote:
> wrote:
> >On Jun 10, 5:00am, wmbjkREM...@citlink.net wrote:
> >> wrote:
> >> >On Jun 9, 2:58am, wmbjkREM...@citlink.net wrote:
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> >On Jun 8, 12:31am, wmbjkREM...@citlink.net wrote:
> >> >> >> On Sat, 6 Jun 2009 17:41:11 -0700 (PDT), ghio <beal...@gmail.com=
> >> >> >> wrote:
> >> >I can in fact name several, but I'm pretty sure that they don't want
> >> >to be pestered by you.
> >> LOL Oh sure, another of the secrets you can't reveal. We can always
> >> count on weasel george for yet another pathetically weak excuse. It's
> >> safe to assume that you won't explain how these places do so much
> >> better than you, or why you haven't criticized *their* tiny need of a
> >> backup generator.
> Why do you remain silent about these "several" phantom homes that are
> more than 98% self-sufficient? They would almost have to be
> all-electric homes, and there are damned few of those off-grid. Other
> than mine, where are they?
What do you want? Their name, address, phone numbers and emails? One
is in Wedderburne, another two in Trentham, another is at MacIntyre.
> >> >My current usage without vehicles is 17638MJ/year.
> >> That's 13.4kWh per day. Yet only 18 months agohttp://groups.google.com/group/alt.energy.renewable/msg/249f789c542aa226
> >> you said it was nearly 5 times as much! So now we're supposed to
> >> believe that the total miraculously became 3 times less than the
> >> wood-burning portion alone used to be. Does the secret involve
> >> magic-mass again?
> >I just keep getting more efficient with my energy use.
> How the hell could you have gone from 66kWh per day to 13 in 18
> months? It's a ludicrous proposition, which is why you'll keep
> repeating it without any explanation. Surely you're proud of this
> dramatic alleged reduction. Then why are you keeping the details a
> secret?
The details are not secrete at all, you just don't want to quote them
in your tirades.
One figure is with vehicles and the other is with out vehicles. Living
where I do means that vehicles use a lot of energy. Then there is the
fact that the new fridge is much more efficient than the old one
having twice the insulation, The use of thirty odd led lamps also
helps improve the efficiency in lighting. Your constant misquoting
and outright lies can't change the numbers one little bit.
Anybody, with the exception of you, can reduce there energy use.
> >> WTF is wrong with you? Even with the indefensible new BS number, the
> >> solar portion would *still* be <9%! I can only imagine how much abuse
> >> you inflicted on your calculator to come up with what I accurately
> >> predicted would be "a miserable and embarrassingly small percentage".
> >The point is not the energy use but the efficiency of energy use.
> Yes, but you can't just write a new number, you have to make physical
> changes. In your case they'd need to be drastic, and yet you haven't
> mentioned any changes at all! 18 months ago you wrote that the wood
> burning alone was the equivalent of 44kWh per day. Now you say that
> the total including the wood burning is only 13kWh per day. Who do you
> expect to believe that?
Yes, and that wood stove has ceased being used. You are the only one
with secret numbers. More than ten years ago you were asked to provide
the numbers for your energy use.
> >When it comes to percentages the only percentage that matters is the
> >comparison between like things, this means electricity production. My
> >electricity production provides 97.6% of my electrical needs
> No, that's pure BS. Herehttp://groups.google.com/group/alt.solar.photovoltaic/msg/d0f5b3ef509 ...
> you said that you run a generator 80 minutes per week. Since you need
> a generator for every load over a few hundred watts, nobody believed
> that 80 minutes was enough. But even so, 80 minutes at 1kW is 13% of
> your total electrical energy, and that's before your backup use or any
> other generator-supplied needs is counted. Your accounting is just
> plain silly.
As pointed out several time already, my generator is not connected to
the house. It never has been and there is no place to connect it to my
house. I suggest you get over it.
> >If everybody knows what they are then MJs can hardly be called
> >deceptive. MJs are correct when discussing a mix of energy.
> The why did you use kWhrs here?http://groups.google.com/group/alt.energy.renewable/msg/249f789c542aa226
> The irony is that switching back and forth hasn't helped you in the
> slightest.
Are you saying that either one or the other is incorrect.
> >when it comes to percentages the only percentage
> >that matters is the comparison between like things, this means
> >electricity production. My electricity production provides 97.6% of my
> >electrical needs
> No nitwit, what counts is the end result, and in your case that means
> a whole lot of propane, generator fuel, wood cutting/splitting/labor,
> and a level of doing without that only you are goofy enough to be
> proud of.
Sorry, Rimmer, I meet 97.6% of my electrical needs with solar.
And, yes I do use gas and wood as well. Just like several thousands of
other people around the world.
> >People would do well to believe what I have always said
> The fact that they don't ought to tell you something. If you had half
> a brain, then whenever you get caught making things up you'd apologize
> and correct the story. Instead you build the BS pile higher and higher
> every single time.
Like having 300,000Ahs of over production that cant be stored and
5000Ahs short fall. Wonderful.
> >I have reduced my energy use. end of story.
> So you say, but given the outrageousness of the alleged reduction, and
> your history of posting numbers that you make up as you go along, who
> would be foolish enough to believe your latest story?
It's true though.
> >> > You claim to be able to produce
> >> >up to 30kWhs a day
> >> Who cares what I claim? Do the math, 30kWh is the max that 2kW of
> >> tracked PV and 1kW of wind can generate on a good day on my site.
> >It is also a 300,000 Ah over production
> No, that would be 20kWh per day. The only way we could have that level
> of overproduction is if we had full sun every day *and* high winds 24
> hours per day. That scenario exists nowhere but in your defective
> mind. But if we did have that much overproduction, it would be enough
> to power an electric car! Only you are wacked enough to claim that
> something like that would be a deficiency.
Ah, no. I subtracted what you could be reasonably be expected to use
from your batteries base on you claim of two days autonomy.
> >Yes excess energy is always unavoidable to some extent, but only you
> >would raise that to a level that would run a small town.
> LOL So not only do we have 20kWh per day excess, and not only is
> that a problem, but it's also enough to run a small town! A small town
> of nutty "power consultants" perhaps....
Poetic license.
> >> BTW, if you had any experience with the combination of sun and wind
> >> power, then you'd know that it's the solar controller that cuts back
> >> first, so there isn't necessarily any wind energy dumped as heat. In
> >> fact, on windy days I frequently see only a couple of kWhrs on the
> >> MX60 daily production log, coupled with many hours of float time.
> >Oh, so that 300,000 Ah over production is some how dissipated with out
> >producing heat. When can we expect to see your dissertation on your
> >news laws for the conservation of energy?
> Can you not read? The only heat-producing regulator is on the turbine.
> But when there's excess wind power, the solar controller shuts down
> the PV output, and therefore the turbine doesn't need much or any
> regulating. When there's wind but no sun, there's also little need for
> turbine regulating. The main time that the wind power is regulated is
> when we wake up to both wind and sun after a windy night. In that
> case, the batteries are already full, and if we don't have
> discretionary loads to absorb the excess, then it gets dumped. So
> what?
So the panels get cold when the regulator stops charging. Perhaps you
would like to show us how this happens. All you have really said is
that you cant store your over production. Thank you for accepting my
point about your systems operation.
> >300,000Ahs excess
> It's hilarious that you made up that number and keep claiming that I
> have an excess that's 17 times more than your daily production. In
> what reality would that make you appear competent?
You have already accepted this number when you said, and this is the
full and correct quote:
"Who cares what I claim? Do the math, 30kWh is the max that 2kW of
tracked PV and 1kW of wind can generate on a good day on my site."
> >Your generator is connected to your house.
> Yes, that's how it's normally done. That way the generator can be used
> to best advantage.
Who says thats how it's normally done. The truth is that some do so
and other don't.
> >My generator is not connected to my house and as a point of fact there
> >is no place to connect my generator to my house.
> No, you have one generator connected to the house for backup, and
> another to power any load over a few hundred watts, but only if those
> loads are outside the house where your "cloths washing" is.
Ok I have a battery charger(DC) connected to the house system, this
has never been denied. I certainly don't pull 5000Ahs out of it every
year.
I also have a generator(AC) in the workshop. It is not connected to
the house and and there is no provision to connect it to the house.
And yes the laundry is done in the workshop, so what.
> If you'd done it the normal way instead, you'd have only needed one
> generator. Then anytime you were running the loads that the solar
> setup can't handle, the generator could also make up shortfalls
> if/when needed. Of course, that would have required more than pretend
> "design".
Normal? What's normal about a system that has an over production of
300,000Ahs and a 5000Ah short fall?
Seems to me that you have at least three generators. Well if you were
telling the truth.
> There are two ways you could improve your place to compete with the
> level of self-sufficiency that "several" people you know <snorf> have
> achieved.
> 1. Install tracking and more PV and wind power and solar water heating
> and ground source heat pumps. Sound familiar? But since you haven't
> done any of that after all these years, then you'll find it easier
> to...
Oh, I see. I should have more production than I can store.
> 2. Reduce your total daily load to 1.2kWh per day, by employing the
> same technique you used to reduce it from 66 to 13kWh. Since it took
> 18 months to make the reductions so far, it should only take another 4
> months to go the rest of the way!
I am constantly working to reduce my energy use, as pointed out above.
Now this thread has run it's course. You have again failed to provide
a coherent set of numbers for you systems operation, shared with us
your 300,000Ah over production and the 5000 Ah short fall of you
system. Thank you for the insight into the world of Rimmer
mathematics.
Bye Rimmer
> >On Jun 8, 12:31am, wmbjkREM...@citlink.net wrote:
> >> wrote:
> >> >On Jun 7, 9:04am, wmbjkREM...@citlink.net wrote:
> >> >That makes 50 hours a year at 2kWs by your own statement
> >> So what? It costs an average of about $ per month. How is that
> >> supposed to make something wrong with a level of self-sufficiency
> >> that's unmatched by anyone else you've ever heard of?
> <continued silence from ghinius george ghio>
> >Not trying to fool anyone.
> That's *all* you're trying to do. It's about all you *ever* do. The
> fact is that you can't name anyone with a more self-sufficient home
> than mine, and yet there isn't a single part of it that you haven't
> invented fault with. You do exactly the same thing with *every* person
> who's ever ridiculed your BS.