Posted by Morris Dovey on June 11, 2009, 5:33 am
Curbie wrote:
> I got that post from "this" group alt.energy.homepower and since
> no-one else can see the post, it means AT&T is not propagating their
> "cutting of services, while not cutting cost of services" (price
> increase) to other servers. Also, they done it such a way as to not
> let customers know who aren't using newsgroups right now, of the cut
> in service (or price increase), all while keeping any complaints
> posted this message on their servers (bit-bucket) which they'll
> un-plug in a month.
Actually, /everybody/ can see their post (I pulled it down from
news.qwest.net along with everything else) and they were kind enough to
post it to all the groups to which I subscribe.
Usenet can be a PIA for everyone involved, but is about the best (only?)
mechanism anyone has ever come up with for spreading the word globally
for topical developments.
I doubt those responsible for making the decision at AT&T have any clue.
--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/
Posted by Curbie on June 11, 2009, 8:26 am
Morris,
>Actually, /everybody/ can see their post (I pulled it down from
>news.qwest.net along with everything else) and they were kind enough to
>post it to all the groups to which I subscribe.
That makes me feel better about AT&T, but not about their decision,
now it makes me wonder if NTTP is going the way of the Dodo bird? (no
good way to advertise on NTTP)
Curbie
Posted by vaughn on June 13, 2009, 10:04 pm
> That makes me feel better about AT&T, but not about their decision,
> now it makes me wonder if NTTP is going the way of the Dodo bird? (no
> good way to advertise on NTTP)
Exactly! I have been watching the slow death of NNTP for several years
now. Even Google, while pretending to be the main web interface to Usenet,
and serving as the main archive, has been killing it by allowing unfettered
access to spammers.
Vaughn
Posted by daestrom on June 12, 2009, 9:14 pm
> daestrom,
>>> Just got the following "post" form AT&T:
>>>
>>> "Please note that on or around July 15, 2009, AT&T will no longer be
>>> offering access to the Usenet netnews service. If you wish to
>>> continue
>>> reading Usenet newsgroups, access is available through third-party
>>> vendors.
>>>
>>> Posted only internally to AT&T Usenet Servers."
>>>
>>
>>Yeah, funny how all of usenet seems to be 'internal' to AT&T. Or they've
>>let their servers go spread it all over.
>>
>>TimeWarner did this a few months back. The big ISP's are scared they
>>might
>>actually promote the sharing of ideas and social networking without
>>facebook
>>or something.
>>
>>daestrom
> I got that post from "this" group alt.energy.homepower and since
> no-one else can see the post, it means AT&T is not propagating their
> "cutting of services, while not cutting cost of services" (price
> increase) to other servers. Also, they done it such a way as to not
> let customers know who aren't using newsgroups right now, of the cut
> in service (or price increase), all while keeping any complaints
> posted this message on their servers (bit-bucket) which they'll
> un-plug in a month.
> Wonder how much of their customer's money AT&T spent figuring out the
> best way to screw their customers out of more money?
> Sorry about the rant, I'm just so tried of paying more and more to get
> less and less.
Actually, I got their post from newsguy.com. They posted it to their
machines and for whatever reason their machines just forwarded it out to all
the usenet servers out there like every other post.
As far as the rant, yeah I felt the same way when TimeWarner pulled the same
crap.
Then I found out the other day that local propane bottle exchangers (the 20
lbm bottle kind at big-box stores you exchange for full ones to use in the
grill) have cheated. Now a '20 pound tank' costs the same as before, but
they're only putting 17 or 18 pounds of propane it them. They thought
people would notice a rise in price but not a reduction in product so they
opted for the latter.
daestrom
Posted by Jim Wilkins on June 13, 2009, 9:23 am
> Then I found out the other day that local propane bottle exchangers (the 20
> lbm bottle kind at big-box stores you exchange for full ones to use in the
> grill) have cheated. Now a '20 pound tank' costs the same as before, but
> they're only putting 17 or 18 pounds of propane it them. They thought
> people would notice a rise in price but not a reduction in product so they
> opted for the latter.
> daestrom-
Here's a long discussion of it:
><http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/browse_thread/thread/aa258d9abd38f4b4/139c26eb55d3d2f0?hl=en&>
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> no-one else can see the post, it means AT&T is not propagating their
> "cutting of services, while not cutting cost of services" (price
> increase) to other servers. Also, they done it such a way as to not
> let customers know who aren't using newsgroups right now, of the cut
> in service (or price increase), all while keeping any complaints
> posted this message on their servers (bit-bucket) which they'll
> un-plug in a month.