Posted by Congoleum Breckenridge on August 9, 2009, 11:45 pm
Bruce Richmond wrote:
> wrote:
>> Sun, 9 Aug 2009 00:33:40 -0700 (PDT), Bruce Richmond, bsr3...@my-deja.com
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> wrote:
>>>> Sat, 8 Aug 2009 09:47:27 -0700 (PDT), Bruce Richmond, bsr3...@my-deja.com
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> Considering that large users pay very little per KW hr I can see where
>>>>> many employers would allow employees to plug in at work, quite
>>>>> possibly for free. I know a few diesel users that plug in block
>>>>> heaters at work during the winter months. They use as much
>>>>> electricity as a charger would.
>>>> My diesel's block heater shows 256 watts on the
>>>> Kill-A-Watt. If you charge your EV batteries at that
>>>> rate, you'll only refresh your batteries by 2 KWh
>>>> during an 8 hr shift. How far will that get you?
>>> Probably about 10 miles. My point was that many employers wouldn't
>>> have a problem with you plugging in. I know mine wouldn't.
>> Most employers' parking lots don't have convenient
>> outlets. Between the 40 or so places my wife and I
>> have worked, I've only seen it once (Cass Lake, MN),
>> and that lot only had receptacles at 12 of the 100+
>> parking spaces.
>
> Gee, I don't have the vast experience you have in reguards to this.
> I've only been employed by two companies over the last 37 years. But
> I do know that both of them have allowed us access to power. Both
> were industrial companies that got their power dirt cheap. My post
> even said, "Considering that large users pay very little per KW". If
> that doesn't apply to the company you work for it might explain why
> they aren't so generous. Could also be that they figure it buys them
> a little good will. Maybe that's why they have so many long term
> employees.
>
>> In order to charge employee batteries, the employer
>> will have to trench up the lot, run conduit, pull wire,
>> install posts with boxes, breakers, outlets, patch the
>> areas he's dug up, not to even mention the stuff at the
>> building end. I contend that MOST employers wouldn't
>> dream of spending all that money just to be able to
>> give you "free" battery recharges. How many people do
>> you know get free gasoline from their employers?
>> It has traditionally never even occurred to employers
>> to pay for workers' transportation to and from work.
>
> Well it sounds like you wont be getting any outlets put in right away,
> doesn't it.
>
> Try reading what I wrote, not what you think I meant. I wrote,
> "Considering that large users pay very little per KW hr I can see
> where many employers would allow employees to plug in at work, quite
> possibly for free." "many" is not the same as "most", and "possibly
> for free" means it's not a given.
>
> Also keep in mind the context in which that statement was written. It
> was in responce to someone questioning why anyone would charge their
> car during peak hours. Free or reduced cost juice is a pretty good
> reason. It's not going to be common enough to crash the grid, but it
> will happen.
>
> As for free gas, know a fair number of employees that take company
> vehicles home, to say nothing of the gasoline that gets put into them
> by the company. Again it is a perk that not everyone gets.
If we were able to charge EV's on the Company's Dime,
the IRS will surely tax us for it.
Posted by YouDontOwnMe on September 9, 2009, 3:34 pm
Congoleum Breckenridge wrote:
> If we were able to charge EV's on the Company's Dime,
> the IRS will surely tax us for it.
1. Taxation is the taking of property.
2. You can NOT delegate a right to somebody else that you yourself do
not have.
3. You do NOT have the right to take my property just because you want
it or because you will use it for the benefit of society.
4. Since you do NOT have the right to take my property for those
purposes, you can NOT give that right to any other entity.
5. Since you can NOT give that right to the people, the people do NOT
have that right.
6. Since the people do NOT have that right, the people can NOT give the
right to take my property for those purposes to the State.
7. What applies to you, applies to everybody else as well.
We hold these truths to self-evident, that all men are created equal...
And if you don't understand that, here's the link to a movie that will
explain it to you in pictures:
http://www.isil.org/resources/philosophy-of-liberty-english.swf
Oops, the superstitious belief in the myth of authority has been exposed
for what it is.
Posted by user on September 9, 2009, 8:29 pm
YouDontOwnMe wrote:
> Congoleum Breckenridge wrote:
>
>> If we were able to charge EV's on the Company's Dime,
>> the IRS will surely tax us for it.
>
> 1. Taxation is the taking of property.
> 2. You can NOT delegate a right to somebody else that you yourself do
> not have.
> 3. You do NOT have the right to take my property just because you want
> it or because you will use it for the benefit of society.
> 4. Since you do NOT have the right to take my property for those
> purposes, you can NOT give that right to any other entity.
> 5. Since you can NOT give that right to the people, the people do NOT
> have that right.
> 6. Since the people do NOT have that right, the people can NOT give the
> right to take my property for those purposes to the State.
> 7. What applies to you, applies to everybody else as well.
>
> We hold these truths to self-evident, that all men are created equal...
>
> And if you don't understand that, here's the link to a movie that will
> explain it to you in pictures:
> http://www.isil.org/resources/philosophy-of-liberty-english.swf
>
> Oops, the superstitious belief in the myth of authority has been exposed
> for what it is.
Taxation is the price you pay for a civil society. Go visit Somalia and
see how well your ideas work.
Posted by user2@domain2.invalid on September 10, 2009, 2:29 am
user@domain.invalid wrote:
> Taxation is the price you pay for a civil society. Go visit Somalia and
> see how well your ideas work.
Taxation is the price paid for tyranny. I only need to go to Ruby Ridge
or Waco to see how well YOUR ideas work.
p.s. I notice you didn't address any of the other guy's numbered points.
Posted by user on September 10, 2009, 3:26 am
user2@domain2.invalid wrote:
> user@domain.invalid wrote:
>
>> Taxation is the price you pay for a civil society. Go visit Somalia
>> and see how well your ideas work.
>
> Taxation is the price paid for tyranny. I only need to go to Ruby Ridge
> or Waco to see how well YOUR ideas work.
>
> p.s. I notice you didn't address any of the other guy's numbered points.
I did, "Taxation is the price you pay for a civil society" says it all.
As terrible as what happened at Ruby Ridge and Waco was, the numbers
involved were minute compared to the 330,000,000 or so Americans that
benefit from tax based services. There is no Libertarian Utopia and
never will be, grow up.
>> Sun, 9 Aug 2009 00:33:40 -0700 (PDT), Bruce Richmond, bsr3...@my-deja.com
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> wrote:
>>>> Sat, 8 Aug 2009 09:47:27 -0700 (PDT), Bruce Richmond, bsr3...@my-deja.com
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> Considering that large users pay very little per KW hr I can see where
>>>>> many employers would allow employees to plug in at work, quite
>>>>> possibly for free. I know a few diesel users that plug in block
>>>>> heaters at work during the winter months. They use as much
>>>>> electricity as a charger would.
>>>> My diesel's block heater shows 256 watts on the
>>>> Kill-A-Watt. If you charge your EV batteries at that
>>>> rate, you'll only refresh your batteries by 2 KWh
>>>> during an 8 hr shift. How far will that get you?
>>> Probably about 10 miles. My point was that many employers wouldn't
>>> have a problem with you plugging in. I know mine wouldn't.
>> Most employers' parking lots don't have convenient
>> outlets. Between the 40 or so places my wife and I
>> have worked, I've only seen it once (Cass Lake, MN),
>> and that lot only had receptacles at 12 of the 100+
>> parking spaces.
>
> Gee, I don't have the vast experience you have in reguards to this.
> I've only been employed by two companies over the last 37 years. But
> I do know that both of them have allowed us access to power. Both
> were industrial companies that got their power dirt cheap. My post
> even said, "Considering that large users pay very little per KW". If
> that doesn't apply to the company you work for it might explain why
> they aren't so generous. Could also be that they figure it buys them
> a little good will. Maybe that's why they have so many long term
> employees.
>
>> In order to charge employee batteries, the employer
>> will have to trench up the lot, run conduit, pull wire,
>> install posts with boxes, breakers, outlets, patch the
>> areas he's dug up, not to even mention the stuff at the
>> building end. I contend that MOST employers wouldn't
>> dream of spending all that money just to be able to
>> give you "free" battery recharges. How many people do
>> you know get free gasoline from their employers?
>> It has traditionally never even occurred to employers
>> to pay for workers' transportation to and from work.
>
> Well it sounds like you wont be getting any outlets put in right away,
> doesn't it.
>
> Try reading what I wrote, not what you think I meant. I wrote,
> "Considering that large users pay very little per KW hr I can see
> where many employers would allow employees to plug in at work, quite
> possibly for free." "many" is not the same as "most", and "possibly
> for free" means it's not a given.
>
> Also keep in mind the context in which that statement was written. It
> was in responce to someone questioning why anyone would charge their
> car during peak hours. Free or reduced cost juice is a pretty good
> reason. It's not going to be common enough to crash the grid, but it
> will happen.
>
> As for free gas, know a fair number of employees that take company
> vehicles home, to say nothing of the gasoline that gets put into them
> by the company. Again it is a perk that not everyone gets.