Posted by harry on September 10, 2009, 5:42 pm
On Sep 10, 4:26 am, u...@domain.invalid wrote:
> us...@domain2.invalid wrote:
> > u...@domain.invalid wrote:
> >> Taxation is the price you pay for a civil society. Go visit Somalia
> >> and see how well your ideas work.
> > Taxation is the price paid for tyranny. I only need to go to Ruby Ridge
> > or Waco to see how well YOUR ideas work.
> > p.s. I notice you didn't address any of the other guy's numbered points.
> I did, "Taxation is the price you pay for a civil society" says it all.
> As terrible as what happened at Ruby Ridge and Waco was, the numbers
> involved were minute compared to the 330,000,000 or so Americans that
> benefit from tax based services. There is no Libertarian Utopia and
> never will be, grow up.
Quite right.
Posted by YouDontOwnMe on September 10, 2009, 11:21 pm
user@domain.invalid wrote:
> user2@domain2.invalid wrote:
>> user@domain.invalid wrote:
>>
>>> Taxation is the price you pay for a civil society. Go visit Somalia
>>> and see how well your ideas work.
>>
>> Taxation is the price paid for tyranny. I only need to go to Ruby
>> Ridge or Waco to see how well YOUR ideas work.
>>
>> p.s. I notice you didn't address any of the other guy's numbered points.
>
>
>
>
> I did, "Taxation is the price you pay for a civil society" says it all.
> As terrible as what happened at Ruby Ridge and Waco was, the numbers
> involved were minute compared to the 330,000,000 or so Americans that
> benefit from tax based services. There is no Libertarian Utopia and
> never will be, grow up.
Actually, you didn't.
You were an intellectual sloth who chose to post a blanket dismissal of
ALL the points without considering ANY of them. Or, you actually did
consider them and realized you can't make them go away with logic, so
you changed the subject. That's fine. I'll address the new subject: Your
beliefs.
Your blanket dismissal of ALL my points was in the form of an assertion
of YOUR "belief".
A "belief" is something that is accepted as true without material
evidence and logical proof. I do NOT share your "belief". Asserting what
you believe will NOT make me share your "belief".
Your posts imply that you "believe" taxation is good. Your posts imply
that you "believe" we actually get "civil society" as a result of taxation.
As a matter of fact and the following logic, you contradict yourself.
If you don't pay property taxes, men with guns come to FORCIBLY remove
you from your home and steal it from you. This is called an eviction and
sheriff's sale.
By you logic, men with guns stealing your home is "civil society".
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What you ignored:
1. Taxation is the taking of property.
2. You can NOT delegate a right to somebody else that you yourself do
not have.
3. You do NOT have the right to take my property just because you want
it or because you will use it for the benefit of society.
4. Since you do NOT have the right to take my property for those
purposes, you can NOT give that right to any other entity.
5. Since you can NOT give that right to the people, the people do NOT
have that right.
6. Since the people do NOT have that right, the people can NOT give the
right to take my property for those purposes to the State.
7. What applies to you, applies to everybody else as well.
We hold these truths to self-evident, that all men are created equal...
And if you don't understand that, here's the link to a movie that will
explain it to you in pictures:
http://www.isil.org/resources/philosophy-of-liberty-english.swf
Oops, the superstitious belief in the myth of authority has been exposed
for what it is.
Posted by Us on September 18, 2009, 5:57 pm
> You have failed to deny that you can not give a right to the people that
> you yourself do not have. Nor can you. You can not give anybody else the
> right to take my property, because it is my property not yours. Likewise
> you can not give any collective group of people the right to take my
> property, because, again, it is my property and not yours.
>
> Perhaps this is the reason you chose to ignore point number 4. You can
> not refute it without using magical thinking, unsupported by logic.
>
> Moving on.
>
> 6. Admit or deny that since the people do NOT have that right, the
> people can NOT give the right to take my property for those purposes to
> the State.
>
> Failure to answer this specific challenge will result in my snipping and
> ignoring anything else you wish to discuss until you do answer this.
Hey Dufus, when are you going to LEARN, the simple FACT, that he who has
the BIGGEST GUN, (Gun, Club, Bomb, knife, weapon) SETS the Rules....
Duh... It has ALWAYS been so, and will continue to BE SO, forever....
If I want your stuff, and I have a BIGGER GUN, I KILL You, and take your
STUFF, Period.... ALL the rest, is nothing more than BULLSHIT... It is
Human Nature, and will ALWAYS BE so....
Posted by YouDontOwnMe on September 18, 2009, 9:30 pm
Us wrote:
>
>> You have failed to deny that you can not give a right to the people that
>> you yourself do not have. Nor can you. You can not give anybody else the
>> right to take my property, because it is my property not yours. Likewise
>> you can not give any collective group of people the right to take my
>> property, because, again, it is my property and not yours.
>>
>> Perhaps this is the reason you chose to ignore point number 4. You can
>> not refute it without using magical thinking, unsupported by logic.
>>
>> Moving on.
>>
>> 6. Admit or deny that since the people do NOT have that right, the
>> people can NOT give the right to take my property for those purposes to
>> the State.
>>
>> Failure to answer this specific challenge will result in my snipping and
>> ignoring anything else you wish to discuss until you do answer this.
>
> Hey Dufus, when are you going to LEARN, the simple FACT, that he who has
> the BIGGEST GUN, (Gun, Club, Bomb, knife, weapon) SETS the Rules....
> Duh... It has ALWAYS been so, and will continue to BE SO, forever....
> If I want your stuff, and I have a BIGGER GUN, I KILL You, and take your
> STUFF, Period.... ALL the rest, is nothing more than BULLSHIT... It is
> Human Nature, and will ALWAYS BE so....
You must work for 'government'.
Posted by Us on September 19, 2009, 5:05 pm
> Us wrote:
> >
> >> You have failed to deny that you can not give a right to the people that
> >> you yourself do not have. Nor can you. You can not give anybody else the
> >> right to take my property, because it is my property not yours. Likewise
> >> you can not give any collective group of people the right to take my
> >> property, because, again, it is my property and not yours.
> >>
> >> Perhaps this is the reason you chose to ignore point number 4. You can
> >> not refute it without using magical thinking, unsupported by logic.
> >>
> >> Moving on.
> >>
> >> 6. Admit or deny that since the people do NOT have that right, the
> >> people can NOT give the right to take my property for those purposes to
> >> the State.
> >>
> >> Failure to answer this specific challenge will result in my snipping and
> >> ignoring anything else you wish to discuss until you do answer this.
> >
> > Hey Dufus, when are you going to LEARN, the simple FACT, that he who has
> > the BIGGEST GUN, (Gun, Club, Bomb, knife, weapon) SETS the Rules....
> > Duh... It has ALWAYS been so, and will continue to BE SO, forever....
> > If I want your stuff, and I have a BIGGER GUN, I KILL You, and take your
> > STUFF, Period.... ALL the rest, is nothing more than BULLSHIT... It is
> > Human Nature, and will ALWAYS BE so....
>
>
> You must work for 'government'.
You MUST walk around with blinders on.......
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> > u...@domain.invalid wrote:
> >> Taxation is the price you pay for a civil society. Go visit Somalia
> >> and see how well your ideas work.
> > Taxation is the price paid for tyranny. I only need to go to Ruby Ridge
> > or Waco to see how well YOUR ideas work.
> > p.s. I notice you didn't address any of the other guy's numbered points.
> I did, "Taxation is the price you pay for a civil society" says it all.
> As terrible as what happened at Ruby Ridge and Waco was, the numbers
> involved were minute compared to the 330,000,000 or so Americans that
> benefit from tax based services. There is no Libertarian Utopia and
> never will be, grow up.