Posted by ghio on June 16, 2009, 12:28 pm
On Jun 17, 1:05 am, wmbjkREM...@citlink.net wrote:
> wrote:
> >On Jun 16, 12:57 am, wmbjkREM...@citlink.net wrote:
> >> wrote:
> >> The new inverter wasn't what enabled him to use a toaster. If any one
> >> item should be credited for that, it was the battery monitor, which
> >> tells him that he's getting to full charge most days, which in turn
> >> gave him the confidence to *know* that his use is now well within his
> >> hardware's capabilities, and when he can feel free to add even more
> >> loads such as his AC and welding.
> >A 900W4 slice
> >toaster would knock out 4 pieces of toast in about 2 minutes consuming
> >approx 2.5Ah.
900w / 12V = 75Ah
75Ah / 2 minutes(1/30th of an hour) = 2.5Ahs
Then there is the welder running off a 350Ah battery set. Let's say
3450 Watts(15A @230V) That will pull ~ 70Amps from the batteries,
that's around 1/5th the batteries capacity per hour.
One of your daylight only system designs is it.
> LOL Another one for the wisdumb page. Same old same-old.
> "Who would hire this PV nitwit?" Nick Pine, 1999
> >Yet you claimed that his inverter was too small.
> Yes, just not for the reason your muddled 12V pea-brain imagined. The
> inverter was too small because it couldn't power some single loads
> like a small MIG welder or a small room AC unit. It was too small
> because it couldn't power a combination of loads that normal people
> have, and small-setup off-gridders would like to have. It was too
> small because it required daily running of a generator to power a 1kWh
> per day load. In plain English, it was too small for his needs, or the
> needs of most any home with owners desiring something approaching a
> normal lifestyle.
> >> >> It sounds to me like you're hoping to pry some inverter shopping tips
> >> >> from somebody who has at least a little hands-on experience. Why not
> >> >> just ask like a normal person would do?
> >> >Wouldn't buy an Outback in a pink fit.
> >> Well, of course. Everybody who's ever read your nonsense could predict
> >> that you'd find some crackpot reason to restrict your choices. One
> >> thing's for sure, the reason won't be based on personal experience,
> >> because you've never laid hands on any Outback product. Plus, you
> >> couldn't afford one anyway.
> >Affording one is not an issue.
> Oh please. You haven't been burning all that fuel for decades for the
> fun of it. You're a pensioner whose pigheadedness will always prevent
> you from getting ahead.
I do believe you are lying again.
> > Buying equipment which is hard to get
> >serviced is not a good decision. As I live in Victoria I would buy
> >Selectronic. The choice is based on the fact that Selectronic are made
> >in Melbourne. If my inverter should fail
> ... you'd use your backup so that there wouldn't be any rush for
> repairs. <snorf>
Yep, weekends are the same hare as they are in many places around the
world, hard to get things done on Sat and Sun.
> > I can get it to the city and
> >back in a single day. Hardly a crackpot decision.
> Normal people make such decisions based on value, features,
> performance, reliability, and warranty. Turn-around time for repairs
> is way down the list, and shipping time is barely worth considering
> because even cross-country overnight shipping is affordable in an
> emergency. You're a quack for tossing all those considerations out in
> favor of narrow-minded (lack of) thinking.
Very good. People make such decisions based on value, features,
performance, reliability, and warranty and buy Selectronic with the
added bonus that repairs are easy to obtain if they live in Victoria.
Mind you of all the Selectronic inverters I have sold only one ever
required repairs.
> Here's a search for Outback inverters in Ozhttp://tinyurl.com/l4otpb
> And here's one for Selectronic in the USAhttp://tinyurl.com/lzygyp
What an idiot. Selectronic are in Melbourne and they make a good
product. They also have a very good warranty in that they actually
honor it. Why should anyone within a day trip of Melbourne buy an
inverter that has to be sent somewhere for repairs.
> Notice any difference that a normally intelligent person would take
> some meaning from? Of course you don't.
> Wayne
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Posted by wmbjkREMOVE on June 16, 2009, 6:50 pm
On Tue, 16 Jun 2009 14:21:28 -0700, wmbjkREMOVE@citlink.net wrote:
>wrote:
>>On Jun 17, 1:05 am, wmbjkREM...@citlink.net wrote:
>>> wrote:
>>> >A 900W4 slice
>>> >toaster would knock out 4 pieces of toast in about 2 minutes consuming
>>> >approx 2.5Ah.
>>>LOL Another one for the wisdumb page. Same old same-old.
>>>"Who would hire this PV nitwit?" Nick Pine, 1999
>>900w / 12V
No, that should be 48V.
> = 75Ah
No, even excusing the voltage mistake, that would be 75A.
>>75Ah
GIGO
> / 2 minutes(1/30th of an hour) = 2.5Ahs
If only readers world would spend enough time on planet ghio so that
their brains became hard-wired to 12V like yours, eh ghinius? You must
have made those very same mistakes hundreds of times by now. Why not
learn to think in watts or watt hours like everybody else, and avoid
the constant confusion and embarrassment? And why not grow a backbone
and admit when you make a mistake, instead of pretending something
different _every_single_time?
>>Then there is the welder running off a 350Ah battery set. Let's say
>>3450 Watts(15A @230V) That will pull ~ 70Amps from the batteries,
>>that's around 1/5th the batteries capacity per hour.
Wow, back to 48V already? <snorf>
Anyway, totally muddled and wrong again. I described the type of
welder in a previous post, here are the specs for a typical model
http://www.bakersgas.com/907335.html .
First off, the load is about 2300W max, as you would know if your
welding experience wasn't as phony as all your other failed careers.
Second, the load isn't the max very often, and never for very long.
Light-duty welding tends to be a <1 minute draw, then some longer idle
time fitting, another minute welding, etc. Third, the discharge rate
is going to be offset by the charging rate except at night, which
isn't going to happen, although I'm sure you'll idiotically say that
it must.
Try to think of it as multiple batches of toast separated by spreading
jelly and eating. Maybe then reality will start to set in. And don't
forget, this guy can run his welder off his solar setup at least some
of the time. Meanwhile, you would need to start a generator to power
the same machine *every time*, and even if the load was *4 times
smaller*. Anytime he uses that welder, or his washing machine, or his
vacuum cleaner, or his electric fridge, or his window AC unit, or his
well pump, he's ahead of you, the calculator-abusing "power
consultant".
>>>You haven't been burning all that fuel for decades for the
>>> fun of it. You're a pensioner whose pigheadedness will always prevent
>>> you from getting ahead.
>>I do believe you are lying again.
The pigheaded part is undeniable. The pension part is informed
speculation. Based on the galactic level of bungling in your posts,
there's no evidence of you being capable of earning a living, and yet
you haven't starved thus far. So odds are pretty damned good that
Australian taxpayers have been feeding you for quite a while, and
hoping in vain that the previous retraining might someday pay off so
that you can finally become productive.
>>> Here's a search for Outback inverters in Oz http://tinyurl.com/l4otpb
>>> And here's one for Selectronic in the USA http://tinyurl.com/lzygyp
>>What an idiot. Selectronic are in Melbourne and they make a good
>>product.
Nobody said that they don't. But it's clear that Outback inverters are
popular and widely available in Australia. If service was a problem,
then dealers wouldn't be stocking them. If Selectronic inverters were
better overall, or even in some important ways, then they'd be as
widely available in the US as Outbacks are in Oz. The market has
spoken, and once again you're odd man out.
Wayne
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Posted by ghio on June 17, 2009, 9:16 am
> On Jun 17, 8:50 am, wmbjkREM...@citlink.net wrote:
> > On Tue, 16 Jun 2009 14:21:28 -0700, wmbjkREM...@citlink.net wrote:
> > >wrote:
> > >>On Jun 17, 1:05 am, wmbjkREM...@citlink.net wrote:
> > >>> wrote: Snip
Something more than ten years ago wayne put up a "Look what I did" web
site.
He was asked, "Ok, what have you done? What are the loads? How many
watts do they draw? How long are they run for?
The answer was the sound of, well, not quite silence, more of an
everlasting whining.
Of course, there were no figures forthcoming. The reason for this is
that wayne is totally unable to produce this information.
Thousands upon thousands of words spewed from his keyboard, and never
a single set of coherent numbers to define his system's function.
Excuses from "The system is so advanced that no mere mortal could
understand it" to "Discretionary loads are can't be described". In
other words "You" the reader are just to stupid to grasp simple
maths.
wayne has never, can not now, and will not in the foreseeable future
be able to provide the design of his system. Simply because he never
designed it or any other system in his life.
Take advice form wayne with extreme care.
Bye, till the next break in contracts.
Posted by You on June 16, 2009, 1:42 pm
In article
Drivel snipped
Will you two "Shut the Fuck UP........." Geeze Louise, Guys... enough
already......
Posted by user on June 16, 2009, 2:10 pm
You wrote:
> In article
>
> Drivel snipped
>
> Will you two "Shut the Fuck UP........." Geeze Louise, Guys... enough
> already......
Let's chip in and rent them a room ;~)
> >On Jun 16, 12:57 am, wmbjkREM...@citlink.net wrote:
> >> wrote:
> >> The new inverter wasn't what enabled him to use a toaster. If any one
> >> item should be credited for that, it was the battery monitor, which
> >> tells him that he's getting to full charge most days, which in turn
> >> gave him the confidence to *know* that his use is now well within his
> >> hardware's capabilities, and when he can feel free to add even more
> >> loads such as his AC and welding.
> >A 900W4 slice
> >toaster would knock out 4 pieces of toast in about 2 minutes consuming
> >approx 2.5Ah.