Morris Dovey wrote:
> Panic is the reaction of people who're unequipped to respond
> constructively to a threat (economic or otherwise). The only
> preventative of which I'm aware is education.
Education is necessary, but not sufficient when people are not rational.
Aristotle:"Most men are such slaves to passion, they'd do better in the
hands of a more rational master. Most posters seem to think they'd be
that rational master despite their flaming and asininity.
> Collapse is what happens when people give up on solving their problems.
Wallace, in his anthro classic, 'Culture and Personality' noted that when a
system is on the skids, people's coping skills no longer work so they
engage in 'magical thinking'. Thus, Christianity, The Rapture,
Creationism, astrology, wicca, or whatever.
> Yes to all of the above, and I can offer the encouraging thought that
> there are existing technologies and methods which can be brought to bear
> to provide for basic needs (water, food, shelter) and beyond.
>
> The energy production paradigm is already shifting from strictly central
> production toward (or at least to include) smaller, decentralized
> production nearer point of use. It seems likely this shift will
> continue, which will tend to localize the effects of the kind of
> problems you're worrying about.
>
> If you've visited my web site, then you've already seen that I'm very
> much focused on a (sub)set of solutions where energy production is
> co-located at the point of use.
So far, so good, http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/solar.html but again, the
per capita carbon foot print of the nuclear family home is no longer
sustainable. Young people no longer make enuf money to buy a home, and
so there is a re-emergence of communal or co-housing.
DNA shows Native Europeans evolved in agrarian villages, and they still
instinctively know how to do it. Gies, "Life in a Medieval Village shows
how often villages were small businesses; grain miill, foundary,
tannery, pottery, etc. The per capita investment in say solar panels
like you show, would be affordable for a village shop, whereas
individual couples, especially in today's job market, mostly cant afford
the installation costs.
A village that bought alternative energy would get it at wholesale, not
retail, rates. And, if we follow the medieval model, when trade was cut
off from war, revolution, pandemic, or whatever, they still grew their
own food, cut their own timber, sawed the own lumber, and chopped their
own firewood... to get by until things picked up again rather than just
firing workers. And- with alternative energy installed, still live quite
comfortably.
> No I am helping it along. The sooner the oil is gone the sooner we will
> move to something else. Civilization got a long way before oil was
> discovered, there is no doubt in my mind that some other way will be found,
> and if not we will have to get along without it.
> Mark
You can do it now, go off-grid and drive a small motorcycle. It isn't
too difficult for a single male to live that way, but much harder for
a family. Tell us how it works out for you.
jsw
>> If you act now, you will also help to produce new jobs in your
>> country.
> Lower taxes would do that too.
> LG
http://bama.ua.edu/~cdblowers/2009/04/taxes-are-price-we-pay-for-civilized.html
William Wixon wrote:
>>> If you act now, you will also help to produce new jobs in your
>>> country.
>> Lower taxes would do that too.
>>
>> LG
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http://bama.ua.edu/~cdblowers/2009/04/taxes-are-price-we-pay-for-civilized.html
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Higher taxes would make us more civilized ;)
> William Wixon wrote:
>>>> If you act now, you will also help to produce new jobs in your
>>>> country.
>>> Lower taxes would do that too.
>>>
>>> LG
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http://bama.ua.edu/~cdblowers/2009/04/taxes-are-price-we-pay-for-civilized.html
> Higher taxes would make us more civilized ;)
huh! i hadn't thought of it that way! i was thinking more like, completely
eliminating taxes altogether would make us a desert wasteland, like
afganistan or somalia, etc. live in mud huts, drive donkeys on dirt roads,
pack AK-47's to keep your neighbors from stealing your stock of roots and
bark.
b.w.
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> constructively to a threat (economic or otherwise). The only
> preventative of which I'm aware is education.