Posted by Eeyore on June 12, 2008, 6:03 pm
Balanced View wrote:
> Eeyore wrote:
> > Balanced View wrote:
> >> Eeyore wrote:
> >>
> >>> And the *ELECTRICITY* itself ?
> >>>
> >> Yes it does, an EV does not burn hydrocarbons, therefore is a Zero
> >> Emission vehicle. As for the electricity itself,
> >> it depends were you live. Where I live it's nearly all Hydro
> >>
> >
> > Well, lucky YOU. If only we all did, all our problems would be over.
> >
> Never said the solution was a magic bullet, but for the average commuter
> current EV's are more than capable
> of driving to work and back.
WRONG
> >> and nuclear.
> >
> > Do you not count nuclear emissions btw ? Taken a geiger counter into the
Irish
> > Sea ever or off Dounreay ?
> I don't live in Ireland
Or Scotland ?
> >> If you had a solar array to charge an EV even better.
> >
> > As long as your journey is only a few miles you MIGHT just manage on PV but I
> > doubt it. PV is, after the 'hydrogen economy', the biggest scam in recent
> > history.
> I've already mentioned our longest commute is only about five miles, I'd
> hardly need much to top that up.
Oh FFS, you can CYCLE that. Stuff tre car.
> > So in other words, taken overall, it's anything BUT a ZEV.
> We have already determined a EV does not emit burned hydro carbons,
No we haven't. That's where most electricity comes from.
> and fits the definition of "Zero Emissions" as accepted by the Automobile
> manufacturers and the Government.
They can fuck themselves up the arse, because they are LIARS.
> > I suggest you learn some science, physics, electronics, engineering,
propulsion
> > systems, mechanical design etc, etc and come back in a few decades with your
> > alleged ZEV.
> Coming from someone like you who can't even follow a newsgroup thread
> that's highly amusing.....
Coming from someone with a brain that doesn't work, I'll ignore your stupid
comments.
Graham
Posted by Balanced View on June 12, 2008, 6:26 pm
Eeyore wrote:
> Balanced View wrote:
>
>> Eeyore wrote:
>>
>>> Balanced View wrote:
>>>
>>>> Eeyore wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> And the *ELECTRICITY* itself ?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Yes it does, an EV does not burn hydrocarbons, therefore is a Zero
>>>> Emission vehicle. As for the electricity itself,
>>>> it depends were you live. Where I live it's nearly all Hydro
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Well, lucky YOU. If only we all did, all our problems would be over.
>>>
>>>
>> Never said the solution was a magic bullet, but for the average commuter
>> current EV's are more than capable
>> of driving to work and back.
>>
> WRONG
>
I already posted the cite that shows the stats for commuting to work,
it's less than 30 miles, well within
the range of current EV's
>
>>>> and nuclear.
>>>>
>>> Do you not count nuclear emissions btw ? Taken a geiger counter into the
Irish
>>> Sea ever or off Dounreay ?
>>>
>> I don't live in Ireland
>>
> Or Scotland ?
>
No
>
>>>> If you had a solar array to charge an EV even better.
>>>>
>>> As long as your journey is only a few miles you MIGHT just manage on PV but I
>>> doubt it. PV is, after the 'hydrogen economy', the biggest scam in recent
>>> history.
>>>
>> I've already mentioned our longest commute is only about five miles, I'd
>> hardly need much to top that up.
>>
> Oh FFS, you can CYCLE that. Stuff tre car.
>
I bike all the time, but I have a home office and don't have to commute,
but my wife does.
>
>>> So in other words, taken overall, it's anything BUT a ZEV.
>>>
>> We have already determined a EV does not emit burned hydro carbons,
>>
> No we haven't. That's where most electricity comes from.
>
We have already established there are no carbon emissions from Hydro or
Nuclear, of which are
all that's used in my location
>
>> and fits the definition of "Zero Emissions" as accepted by the Automobile
>> manufacturers and the Government.
>>
> They can fuck themselves up the arse, because they are LIARS.
>
Oh I see , "Everyone else is Wrong"
>
>>> I suggest you learn some science, physics, electronics, engineering,
propulsion
>>> systems, mechanical design etc, etc and come back in a few decades with your
>>> alleged ZEV.
>>>
>> Coming from someone like you who can't even follow a newsgroup thread
>> that's highly amusing.....
>>
> Coming from someone with a brain that doesn't work, I'll ignore your stupid
comments.
> Graham
>
Typical, you can't refute fact, or provide cites to back up your
position, so just swear or yell louder.....
As they used to say in the old days...Plonk.
Posted by Neon John on June 12, 2008, 10:10 pm
>On Sun, 08 Jun 2008 23:25:49 +0100, Eeyore wrote:
>> LIES ! There is no such thing as a ZERO emission car.
>>
>An electric car is a zero emission car. Unless you have a power plant
>attached to yours. This is not a lie or a desception.
So let me get this straight. If I live somewhere else (here my power is
nuclear) and I plug my car into that great long extension cord called the grid
and on the other end of that cord, a coal plant ramps up its firing rate just
a little to charge my batteries, then I'm still driving a zero emission car?
Is that what you're trying to tell me, grasshopper?
Wow.
Can I have some of whatever you're smoking?
John
--
John De Armond
See my website for my current email address
http://www.neon-john.com
http://www.johndearmond.com <-- best little blog on the net!
Tellico Plains, Occupied TN
I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy every minute of it.
Posted by Eeyore on June 12, 2008, 10:36 pm
Neon John wrote:
> >On Sun, 08 Jun 2008 23:25:49 +0100, Eeyore wrote:
> >> LIES ! There is no such thing as a ZERO emission car.
> >>
> >
> >An electric car is a zero emission car. Unless you have a power plant
> >attached to yours. This is not a lie or a desception.
> So let me get this straight. If I live somewhere else (here my power is
> nuclear) and I plug my car into that great long extension cord called the grid
> and on the other end of that cord, a coal plant ramps up its firing rate just
> a little to charge my batteries, then I'm still driving a zero emission car?
> Is that what you're trying to tell me, grasshopper?
> Wow.
> Can I have some of whatever you're smoking?
If only it were that simple.
hmmm,,, simple being a very suitable word.
Graham
Posted by Balanced View on June 12, 2008, 11:09 pm
Eeyore wrote:
> Neon John wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>> On Sun, 08 Jun 2008 23:25:49 +0100, Eeyore wrote:
>>>
>>>> LIES ! There is no such thing as a ZERO emission car.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> An electric car is a zero emission car. Unless you have a power plant
>>> attached to yours. This is not a lie or a desception.
>>>
>> So let me get this straight. If I live somewhere else (here my power is
>> nuclear) and I plug my car into that great long extension cord called the grid
>> and on the other end of that cord, a coal plant ramps up its firing rate just
>> a little to charge my batteries, then I'm still driving a zero emission car?
>> Is that what you're trying to tell me, grasshopper?
>>
>> Wow.
>>
>> Can I have some of whatever you're smoking?
>>
> If only it were that simple.
> hmmm,,, simple being a very suitable word.
> Graham
>
The point is the car isn't emitting anything. According to California's
Air Resources Board (CARB), a "Zero-emissions vehicle"
is a vehicle that has:
* No tailpipe emissions
* No evaporative emissions
* No onboard emission-control systems that can deteriorate over time
* No emissions from gasoline refining or sales
You guys can split hairs all you want, even if coal is used to generate
the power, the pollution from the plant is less tan and
easier to control than in thousands of individual ICE cars.
XML site map
> > Balanced View wrote:
> >> Eeyore wrote:
> >>
> >>> And the *ELECTRICITY* itself ?
> >>>
> >> Yes it does, an EV does not burn hydrocarbons, therefore is a Zero
> >> Emission vehicle. As for the electricity itself,
> >> it depends were you live. Where I live it's nearly all Hydro
> >>
> >
> > Well, lucky YOU. If only we all did, all our problems would be over.
> >
> Never said the solution was a magic bullet, but for the average commuter
> current EV's are more than capable
> of driving to work and back.
WRONG
> >> and nuclear.
> >
> > Do you not count nuclear emissions btw ? Taken a geiger counter into the