Posted by pantagruel on February 22, 2007, 4:07 am
Hi,
I'm considering buying an old decomissioned military patrol boat (I
have some other possibilities too), anyway it is a fixer upper. I
would have to replace the engine. If I replace the engine I want to
have an alternate energy solution. I am a pretty competent diy and can
pull on a big network of people for fixing this up, including some
engineers (but don't want to do so yet until I finalize decision)
What I would really like is some steam based solution, but it seems
that steam nowadays is all about toys.
Unfortunately the boat would not be efficiently convertible to being a
motor/sail boat.
Since I am going to be converting it to a houseboat situation this
falls under an Alt-home alt-energy for alt-home situation. :)
Any suggestions?
Posted by Ecnerwal on February 22, 2007, 8:10 am
> I'm considering buying an old decomissioned military patrol boat (I
> have some other possibilities too), anyway it is a fixer upper. I
...
> Any suggestions?
Beware the neat-idea-fixer-upper boat. Recall some adages of boats:
You're only happy two days that you own a boat - the day you buy it and
the day you sell it.
A boat is a hole in the water that you throw money in (or lined with
money).
Anyway, get a liquid-cooled (keel-cooled) diesel, and set up to recover
heat from it for heat and hotwater, and generate electricity with it,
but it probably will not be efficient to set the boat up as a
diesel-electric (using an electric generator to drive an electric motor
is a nice transmission system used on many large vehicles, but the loss
of efficiency .vs. a shaft is going to be noticeable). Of course, if the
boat will stay put most of the time, that may not be a big deal, but the
scale of generator and the cost of an appropriate electric motor will
probably still make that non-sensible. You'll probably still need a
smaller generator for when the boat is not going anywhere, for the sake
of fuel efficiency.
--
Cats, coffee, chocolate...vices to live by
Posted by Trygve Lillefosse on February 22, 2007, 4:58 pm
On 22 Feb 2007 01:07:58 -0800, "pantagruel"
>I'm considering buying an old decomissioned military patrol boat (I
>have some other possibilities too), anyway it is a fixer upper. I
>would have to replace the engine. If I replace the engine I want to
>have an alternate energy solution. I am a pretty competent diy and can
>pull on a big network of people for fixing this up, including some
>engineers (but don't want to do so yet until I finalize decision)
>What I would really like is some steam based solution, but it seems
>that steam nowadays is all about toys.
Why steam? Why not a generator?
Steam nowadays are all about toys and boats. There are a lot of modern
steamships that use cheap bunkers oil instead of diesel.
>Unfortunately the boat would not be efficiently convertible to being a
>motor/sail boat.
If this means that it is not going to have a motor to propell it, I
would sugest a landline. And use the extra space for living space. If
a landline is hard/impossible/too expensive to get, I would go for a
generator, possibly supllied with wind/solar and even batteries.
--
SEE YA !!!
Trygve Lillefosse
AKA - Malawi, The Fisher King
Posted by pantagruel on February 23, 2007, 5:19 am
wrote:
> On 22 Feb 2007 01:07:58 -0800, "pantagruel"
> >I'm considering buying an old decomissioned military patrol boat (I
> >have some other possibilities too), anyway it is a fixer upper. I
> >would have to replace the engine. If I replace the engine I want to
> >have an alternate energy solution. I am a pretty competent diy and can
> >pull on a big network of people for fixing this up, including some
> >engineers (but don't want to do so yet until I finalize decision)
> >What I would really like is some steam based solution, but it seems
> >that steam nowadays is all about toys.
> Why steam? Why not a generator?
> Steam nowadays are all about toys and boats. There are a lot of modern
> steamships that use cheap bunkers oil instead of diesel.
> >Unfortunately the boat would not be efficiently convertible to being a
> >motor/sail boat.
> If this means that it is not going to have a motor to propell it, I
> would sugest a landline. And use the extra space for living space. If
> a landline is hard/impossible/too expensive to get, I would go for a
> generator, possibly supllied with wind/solar and even batteries.
> --
> SEE YA !!!
> Trygve Lillefosse
> AKA - Malawi, The Fisher King
I think you're probably right that a generator is the best solution.
There is however something seductive about the idea of a steam engine
in the modern era.
No what I meant by motor/sail boat was that I didn't consider it worth
making into a motorsejler (from your name I take it you are
scandinavian if not danish and know the term), meaning (for me anyway)
a boat that could be propelled either directly by wind power or a
motor.
> have some other possibilities too), anyway it is a fixer upper. I
...
> Any suggestions?