Posted by magister on December 21, 2004, 5:39 am
Hello,
Well it seems that selling back to the grid cost alot (for the
invertor), doesn't give you a good return (lousy rates from the
electricity company),
and is probably discouraged in Bush/Oil run government bueracracy.
Does anyone know how a power company runs? It seems to me that a
Green Power company which only gets power from (solar, wind, biodisel,
etc) could be set up and run on a small scale regional, for instance
in New England and Northern Democratic Mid-Atlantic states, or the
Pacific Northwest/California.
The company could get better rates for green energy producers and
perhaps charge a cent more per kiloWattHour to parents how are too
busy in the rat race to generate their own power but still want a
future for their kiddies.
I know there is a green power company in the United Kingdom, they only
get a percentage of their power from green sources, but whatever they
get from dirty sources, they plant a certain amount of trees.
What do all of you think about this idea, not that you may not have
had it yourselves before....?
I could treat this as a proprietory business idea, but I am not really
worried about this I just want to stop this fossil fuel planet earth
disaster.
Thanks,
yurps
Posted by Melodie de l'Epine on December 21, 2004, 6:50 am
It's a good idea... if you're happy with very long term investments, and
a lot of hard work finding customers.
I know that in Germany, Greenpeace owns (or runs?) a "green" power
company - If I am remembering correctly (please let me know if I'm
wrong!) they keep prices and paperwork manageable by having a large
baseline of wind and CHP production, and small amounts of pv.
The idea is currently in discussion in France, the problem is finding
sufficient baseline production that is reasonably cheap - the absolute
ideal is small hydro that has already paid back it's investment...
In other countries, where mandatory requirements mean all power
companies must have a certain amount of green production, it can be
easier because you have a "captive" client base....;
I know that in some countries clients can pay premium rates for green
electricity if they choose.. a nd a surprising number of people do
choose - even if, without realising it, they are paying extra money to
buy extremely cheap big hydro kWHs..... the client feels good ands is
happy, the power company makes a fortune and is happy...
To get more "aware" clients you would probably have to guarantee origin
and, most importantly new investments in green power projects.... gets a
bit more complicated .
Mel
magister a écrit :
> Hello,
>
> Well it seems that selling back to the grid cost alot (for the
> invertor), doesn't give you a good return (lousy rates from the
> electricity company),
> and is probably discouraged in Bush/Oil run government bueracracy.
>
> Does anyone know how a power company runs? It seems to me that a
> Green Power company which only gets power from (solar, wind, biodisel,
> etc) could be set up and run on a small scale regional, for instance
> in New England and Northern Democratic Mid-Atlantic states, or the
> Pacific Northwest/California.
>
> The company could get better rates for green energy producers and
> perhaps charge a cent more per kiloWattHour to parents how are too
> busy in the rat race to generate their own power but still want a
> future for their kiddies.
>
> I know there is a green power company in the United Kingdom, they only
> get a percentage of their power from green sources, but whatever they
> get from dirty sources, they plant a certain amount of trees.
>
> What do all of you think about this idea, not that you may not have
> had it yourselves before....?
>
> I could treat this as a proprietory business idea, but I am not really
> worried about this I just want to stop this fossil fuel planet earth
> disaster.
>
>
> Thanks,
> yurps
Posted by daestrom on December 21, 2004, 9:06 am
> Hello,
> Well it seems that selling back to the grid cost alot (for the
> invertor), doesn't give you a good return (lousy rates from the
> electricity company),
> and is probably discouraged in Bush/Oil run government bueracracy.
> Does anyone know how a power company runs? It seems to me that a
> Green Power company which only gets power from (solar, wind, biodisel,
> etc) could be set up and run on a small scale regional, for instance
> in New England and Northern Democratic Mid-Atlantic states, or the
> Pacific Northwest/California.
> The company could get better rates for green energy producers and
> perhaps charge a cent more per kiloWattHour to parents how are too
> busy in the rat race to generate their own power but still want a
> future for their kiddies.
> I know there is a green power company in the United Kingdom, they only
> get a percentage of their power from green sources, but whatever they
> get from dirty sources, they plant a certain amount of trees.
> What do all of you think about this idea, not that you may not have
> had it yourselves before....?
> I could treat this as a proprietory business idea, but I am not really
> worried about this I just want to stop this fossil fuel planet earth
> disaster.
Your 'proprietory business idea' is not new. In the New England area, there
are many such 'green' electric companies that you can buy your power from
(if your state is deregulating as NY is).
http://www.epa.gov/greenpower/locator/ny.htm
So you will have competition, but that is usually a good thing :-)
daestrom
Posted by M.M. on December 21, 2004, 9:49 am
Already some green generation going on in Texas with more every day...
city of Austin is one example as well as green power choices for
providers or partially green.... M.M.
On 21 Dec 2004 02:39:37 -0800, yurps@yahoo.co.uk (magister) wrote:
>Hello,
>Well it seems that selling back to the grid cost alot (for the
>invertor), doesn't give you a good return (lousy rates from the
>electricity company),
>and is probably discouraged in Bush/Oil run government bueracracy.
>Does anyone know how a power company runs? It seems to me that a
>Green Power company which only gets power from (solar, wind, biodisel,
>etc) could be set up and run on a small scale regional, for instance
>in New England and Northern Democratic Mid-Atlantic states, or the
>Pacific Northwest/California.
>The company could get better rates for green energy producers and
>perhaps charge a cent more per kiloWattHour to parents how are too
>busy in the rat race to generate their own power but still want a
>future for their kiddies.
>I know there is a green power company in the United Kingdom, they only
>get a percentage of their power from green sources, but whatever they
>get from dirty sources, they plant a certain amount of trees.
>What do all of you think about this idea, not that you may not have
>had it yourselves before....?
>I could treat this as a proprietory business idea, but I am not really
>worried about this I just want to stop this fossil fuel planet earth
>disaster.
>Thanks,
>yurps
Posted by SQLit on December 21, 2004, 10:16 am
> Hello,
> Well it seems that selling back to the grid cost alot (for the
> invertor), doesn't give you a good return (lousy rates from the
> electricity company),
> and is probably discouraged in Bush/Oil run government bueracracy.
> Does anyone know how a power company runs? It seems to me that a
> Green Power company which only gets power from (solar, wind, biodisel,
> etc) could be set up and run on a small scale regional, for instance
> in New England and Northern Democratic Mid-Atlantic states, or the
> Pacific Northwest/California.
> The company could get better rates for green energy producers and
> perhaps charge a cent more per kiloWattHour to parents how are too
> busy in the rat race to generate their own power but still want a
> future for their kiddies.
> I know there is a green power company in the United Kingdom, they only
> get a percentage of their power from green sources, but whatever they
> get from dirty sources, they plant a certain amount of trees.
> What do all of you think about this idea, not that you may not have
> had it yourselves before....?
> I could treat this as a proprietory business idea, but I am not really
> worried about this I just want to stop this fossil fuel planet earth
> disaster.
> Thanks,
> yurps
The idea is not new. Here in Arizona one utility allows you to pay more for
a % of your power to be green. That concept has alluded me just like the
jitter bug.
Power companies must supply power when the switch is closed. That requires a
lot of capacity. Hence the charging for demand in some places. Green has a
problem with production at night. Batteries are just not going to cut it for
a utility company that needs megawatt/gigawatt capacities.
Good luck with your "idea".
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> Well it seems that selling back to the grid cost alot (for the
> invertor), doesn't give you a good return (lousy rates from the
> electricity company),
> and is probably discouraged in Bush/Oil run government bueracracy.
>
> Does anyone know how a power company runs? It seems to me that a
> Green Power company which only gets power from (solar, wind, biodisel,
> etc) could be set up and run on a small scale regional, for instance
> in New England and Northern Democratic Mid-Atlantic states, or the
> Pacific Northwest/California.
>
> The company could get better rates for green energy producers and
> perhaps charge a cent more per kiloWattHour to parents how are too
> busy in the rat race to generate their own power but still want a
> future for their kiddies.
>
> I know there is a green power company in the United Kingdom, they only
> get a percentage of their power from green sources, but whatever they
> get from dirty sources, they plant a certain amount of trees.
>
> What do all of you think about this idea, not that you may not have
> had it yourselves before....?
>
> I could treat this as a proprietory business idea, but I am not really
> worried about this I just want to stop this fossil fuel planet earth
> disaster.
>
>
> Thanks,
> yurps