Posted by harry on August 5, 2009, 8:54 pm
> >> What you call kerosine in the USA we in the UK call paraffin.
> >> Like hoods & bonnets. Bumpers & fenders. Trunks & boots. :-)- Hide quoted
> >> text -
> >> - Show quoted text -
> > And when the kids in school ask for a rubber nobody stares, it means
> > eraser
> > <<<<<
> > Americans call petrol, or benzine, gas. Some cars can run on gas, you
> > know real gas. That does confuse.
> > Or pick-up when they mean collect.
> Some know-it-all types confuse Petrol (Gasoline) with benzine. To wit:
> Petroleum ether, also known as benzine, VM&P Naphtha, Petroleum Naphtha,
> Naphtha ASTM, Petroleum Spirits, X4 or Ligroin, is a group of various
> volatile, highly flammable, liquid hydrocarbon mixtures used chiefly as
> nonpolar solvents.
> Petroleum ether is obtained from petroleum refineries as the portion of the
> distillate which is intermediate between the lighter naphtha and the heavier
> kerosene. It has a specific gravity of between 0.6 and 0.8 depending on its
> composition. The following distillation fractions of petroleum ether are
> commonly available: 30 to 40 C, 40 to 60 C, 60 to 80 C, 80 to 100 C and
> sometimes 100 to 120 C. The 60 to 80 C fraction is often used as a
> replacement for hexane. Petroleum ether is mostly used by pharmaceutical
> companies in the manufacturing process. Petroleum ether consists mainly of
> pentane, and is sometimes used instead of pentane due to its lower cost.
> Petroleum ether is not technically an ether.[1]
> Benzine should not be confused with benzene. Benzine is a mixture of
> alkanes, e.g., pentane, hexane, and heptane, whereas benzene is a cyclic,
> aromatic hydrocarbon, C6H6. Likewise, petroleum ether should not be confused
> with the class of organic compounds called ethers, which contain the -O-
> functional group.
> During the Second World War some extermination camps experimented by killing
> people with benzine injections.
> So before you open your piss ignorant pie hole to cast aspersions you had
> better be sure you are correct.
> --
> Don Thompson
> Stolen from Dan: "Just thinking, besides, I watched 2 dogs mating once,
> and that makes me an expert. "
> There is nothing more frightening than active ignorance.
> ~Goethe
> It is a worthy thing to fight for one's freedom;
> it is another sight finer to fight for another man's.
> ~Mark Twain
"Benzine" is German for petrol. Gasolino in Spanish. Essence in
French.
Gas in USA.
Petrol is short for petroleum spirit. ie distilled, fossilised oil.
Which sounds perfectly logical to me and causes no confusion.
I expect Goethe would have known this.
Posted by William Wixon on August 5, 2009, 10:03 pm
On Aug 4, 10:05 pm
"Benzine" is German for petrol. Gasolino in Spanish. Essence in
French.
Gas in USA.
Petrol is short for petroleum spirit. ie distilled, fossilised oil.
Which sounds perfectly logical to me and causes no confusion.
I expect Goethe would have known this.
just curious, do the spanish use a shortened version of gasolino? do the
germans use slang for benzine? how about the french? i mean, u.s., gas =
gasoline, uk, petrol = petroleum, do others use shortened versions of the
word for convenience? how do russians say gasoline and do they have a short
version too?
b.w.
Posted by daestrom on July 21, 2009, 9:14 pm
Bruce in alaska wrote:
>
>> By the way, correct me if I'm wrong
>> but isn't jet fuel blended with additives to prevent gelling or microbe
>> infestation since jet fuel is often exposed to environmental extremes?
>>
>> TDD
>
> Nope, "Jet Fuel" as you call it is JetA50, and is the same thing a #1
> Diesel, Home Heating Oil, and a few other names. The difference is,
> that to be classed JetA50, and sold for Aviation Fuel, it MUST be
> Filtered to FAA Spec, and be within the Specific Gravity, FAA Spec.
> So, what the Distributer does, is he has only one Grade of #1 Diesel in
> his tanks and when he pumps it for Transport to a customer, it goes thru
> a different set of filtering for Aviation, than for Home Heating, or #1
> Diesel, but it all comes from the SAME Tank. With #2 Diesel, in cold
> climates, they have what is called "Winter Mix" where the Distributer
> will mix #1 and #2 Diesel, to lower the GellPoint of the fuel when
> loading the Truck or Barge, for deliveries starting about August, and
> increase the Ratio of #1 to #2 the farther North and away from the coast
> the fuel is destine for. For Gasoline, the distributer will have an
> "Additive Package" that they add to the Tank when dispatching a Load,
> designed for the prospective customer. Many times Shell, Chevron, and
> Mobile Gas Stations, will get their fuel from the same Distributer or
> supplier and the only difference in the fuel is the "Additive Package"
> put in, as the basic fuel, ALL COMES FROM THE SAME TANK. Depends on who
> owns the Refinery, or where the Distributer bough his fuel from, the
> last time. I have seen the same truck at two or three different Brand
> Gas Stations, in town, on the same day, delivering fuel. the distributer
> is 250 miles away, so you know they didn't fill the truck three times
> that day.
>
ISTR this is even true with pipelines. When company 'A' puts several
thousands of barrels of #1 'into' the pipeline company's head end, the
pipeline company will deliver the same number of barrels out the end
point without actually trying to calculate transport time or any such.
The fuel that goes into company A's tank could have just as easily been
put in by another company shipping the same product.
As it is a totally fungible commodity, the pipeline company just logs
how many barrels in one end and that many barrels belong to company 'A'
at the other end.
But as far as #1, truck fuel, and aviation, is it still all the same now
that road diesel has to be that special (more expensive) ultra-low
sulfur stuff? Or is home heating oil (#1) and aviation jet fuel also
ultra-low sulfur now?
daestrom
Posted by Richard W. on July 22, 2009, 3:56 pm
> Bruce in alaska wrote:
>>
>>> By the way, correct me if I'm wrong
>>> but isn't jet fuel blended with additives to prevent gelling or microbe
>>> infestation since jet fuel is often exposed to environmental extremes?
>>>
>>> TDD
>>
>> Nope, "Jet Fuel" as you call it is JetA50, and is the same thing a #1
>> Diesel, Home Heating Oil, and a few other names. The difference is, that
>> to be classed JetA50, and sold for Aviation Fuel, it MUST be Filtered to
>> FAA Spec, and be within the Specific Gravity, FAA Spec.
>> So, what the Distributer does, is he has only one Grade of #1 Diesel in
>> his tanks and when he pumps it for Transport to a customer, it goes thru
>> a different set of filtering for Aviation, than for Home Heating, or #1
>> Diesel, but it all comes from the SAME Tank. With #2 Diesel, in cold
>> climates, they have what is called "Winter Mix" where the Distributer
>> will mix #1 and #2 Diesel, to lower the GellPoint of the fuel when
>> loading the Truck or Barge, for deliveries starting about August, and
>> increase the Ratio of #1 to #2 the farther North and away from the coast
>> the fuel is destine for. For Gasoline, the distributer will have an
>> "Additive Package" that they add to the Tank when dispatching a Load,
>> designed for the prospective customer. Many times Shell, Chevron, and
>> Mobile Gas Stations, will get their fuel from the same Distributer or
>> supplier and the only difference in the fuel is the "Additive Package"
>> put in, as the basic fuel, ALL COMES FROM THE SAME TANK. Depends on who
>> owns the Refinery, or where the Distributer bough his fuel from, the last
>> time. I have seen the same truck at two or three different Brand Gas
>> Stations, in town, on the same day, delivering fuel. the distributer is
>> 250 miles away, so you know they didn't fill the truck three times that
>> day.
>>
> ISTR this is even true with pipelines. When company 'A' puts several
> thousands of barrels of #1 'into' the pipeline company's head end, the
> pipeline company will deliver the same number of barrels out the end point
> without actually trying to calculate transport time or any such. The fuel
> that goes into company A's tank could have just as easily been put in by
> another company shipping the same product.
> As it is a totally fungible commodity, the pipeline company just logs how
> many barrels in one end and that many barrels belong to company 'A' at the
> other end.
> But as far as #1, truck fuel, and aviation, is it still all the same now
> that road diesel has to be that special (more expensive) ultra-low sulfur
> stuff? Or is home heating oil (#1) and aviation jet fuel also ultra-low
> sulfur now?
> daestrom
My mother ran out of heating oil and asked if I could bring her some. I
didn't have a barrel, but the oil distributor said he had an empty I could
borrow. When I got there he was filling it with #2 pump diesel. The same
stuff you would put in your diesel pickup or tractor. He said it was the
same stuff and my mother's furnace ran just fine.
Richard W.
Posted by harry on July 22, 2009, 6:27 pm
> > Bruce in alaska wrote:
> >>> By the way, correct me if I'm wrong
> >>> but isn't jet fuel blended with additives to prevent gelling or microbe
> >>> infestation since jet fuel is often exposed to environmental extremes?
> >>> TDD
> >> Nope, "Jet Fuel" as you call it is JetA50, and is the same thing a #1
> >> Diesel, Home Heating Oil, and a few other names. The difference is, that
> >> to be classed JetA50, and sold for Aviation Fuel, it MUST be Filtered to
> >> FAA Spec, and be within the Specific Gravity, FAA Spec.
> >> So, what the Distributer does, is he has only one Grade of #1 Diesel in
> >> his tanks and when he pumps it for Transport to a customer, it goes thru
> >> a different set of filtering for Aviation, than for Home Heating, or #1
> >> Diesel, but it all comes from the SAME Tank. With #2 Diesel, in cold
> >> climates, they have what is called "Winter Mix" where the Distributer
> >> will mix #1 and #2 Diesel, to lower the GellPoint of the fuel when
> >> loading the Truck or Barge, for deliveries starting about August, and
> >> increase the Ratio of #1 to #2 the farther North and away from the coast
> >> the fuel is destine for. For Gasoline, the distributer will have an
> >> "Additive Package" that they add to the Tank when dispatching a Load,
> >> designed for the prospective customer. Many times Shell, Chevron, and
> >> Mobile Gas Stations, will get their fuel from the same Distributer or
> >> supplier and the only difference in the fuel is the "Additive Package"
> >> put in, as the basic fuel, ALL COMES FROM THE SAME TANK. Depends on who
> >> owns the Refinery, or where the Distributer bough his fuel from, the last
> >> time. I have seen the same truck at two or three different Brand Gas
> >> Stations, in town, on the same day, delivering fuel. the distributer is
> >> 250 miles away, so you know they didn't fill the truck three times that
> >> day.
> > ISTR this is even true with pipelines. When company 'A' puts several
> > thousands of barrels of #1 'into' the pipeline company's head end, the
> > pipeline company will deliver the same number of barrels out the end point
> > without actually trying to calculate transport time or any such. The fuel
> > that goes into company A's tank could have just as easily been put in by
> > another company shipping the same product.
> > As it is a totally fungible commodity, the pipeline company just logs how
> > many barrels in one end and that many barrels belong to company 'A' at the
> > other end.
> > But as far as #1, truck fuel, and aviation, is it still all the same now
> > that road diesel has to be that special (more expensive) ultra-low sulfur
> > stuff? Or is home heating oil (#1) and aviation jet fuel also ultra-low
> > sulfur now?
> > daestrom
> My mother ran out of heating oil and asked if I could bring her some. I
> didn't have a barrel, but the oil distributor said he had an empty I could
> borrow. When I got there he was filling it with #2 pump diesel. The same
> stuff you would put in your diesel pickup or tractor. He said it was the
> same stuff and my mother's furnace ran just fine.
> Richard W.
Thre are two sorts of heating oil. 25 sec and 35sec. (That's how we
measure the viscosity in the UK.) 25sec (kerosine) is for
vapourising burners. [Basically a big wick]
35 sec (= to diesel) for pressure jet burners.
25 sec can be burnt in a petrol engine. However the engine needs to
be hot before it will run. In days of yore some agricultural tractors
ran on this (known as Tractor Vapourising Oil). They had two tanks,
you started the tractor on petrol & then switch over to the kerosine /
TVO Smelly exhaust.
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> >> Like hoods & bonnets. Bumpers & fenders. Trunks & boots. :-)- Hide quoted
> >> text -
> >> - Show quoted text -
> > And when the kids in school ask for a rubber nobody stares, it means
> > eraser
> > <<<<<
> > Americans call petrol, or benzine, gas. Some cars can run on gas, you
> > know real gas. That does confuse.
> > Or pick-up when they mean collect.
> Some know-it-all types confuse Petrol (Gasoline) with benzine. To wit:
> Petroleum ether, also known as benzine, VM&P Naphtha, Petroleum Naphtha,
> Naphtha ASTM, Petroleum Spirits, X4 or Ligroin, is a group of various
> volatile, highly flammable, liquid hydrocarbon mixtures used chiefly as
> nonpolar solvents.
> Petroleum ether is obtained from petroleum refineries as the portion of the
> distillate which is intermediate between the lighter naphtha and the heavier
> kerosene. It has a specific gravity of between 0.6 and 0.8 depending on its
> composition. The following distillation fractions of petroleum ether are
> commonly available: 30 to 40 C, 40 to 60 C, 60 to 80 C, 80 to 100 C and
> sometimes 100 to 120 C. The 60 to 80 C fraction is often used as a
> replacement for hexane. Petroleum ether is mostly used by pharmaceutical
> companies in the manufacturing process. Petroleum ether consists mainly of
> pentane, and is sometimes used instead of pentane due to its lower cost.
> Petroleum ether is not technically an ether.[1]
> Benzine should not be confused with benzene. Benzine is a mixture of
> alkanes, e.g., pentane, hexane, and heptane, whereas benzene is a cyclic,
> aromatic hydrocarbon, C6H6. Likewise, petroleum ether should not be confused
> with the class of organic compounds called ethers, which contain the -O-
> functional group.
> During the Second World War some extermination camps experimented by killing
> people with benzine injections.
> So before you open your piss ignorant pie hole to cast aspersions you had
> better be sure you are correct.
> --
> Don Thompson
> Stolen from Dan: "Just thinking, besides, I watched 2 dogs mating once,
> and that makes me an expert. "
> There is nothing more frightening than active ignorance.
> ~Goethe
> It is a worthy thing to fight for one's freedom;
> it is another sight finer to fight for another man's.
> ~Mark Twain