Posted by Richard W. on July 24, 2009, 1:45 pm
> Richard W. wrote:
>>> Bruce in alaska wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> By the way, correct me if I'm wrong
>>>>> but isn't jet fuel blended with additives to prevent gelling or
>>>>> microbe
>>>>> infestation since jet fuel is often exposed to environmental extremes?
>>>>>
>>>>> TDD
>>>> Nope, "Jet Fuel" as you call it is JetA50, and is the same thing a #1
>>>> Diesel, Home Heating Oil, and a few other names. The difference is,
>>>> that to be classed JetA50, and sold for Aviation Fuel, it MUST be
>>>> Filtered to FAA Spec, and be within the Specific Gravity, FAA Spec.
>>>> So, what the Distributer does, is he has only one Grade of #1 Diesel in
>>>> his tanks and when he pumps it for Transport to a customer, it goes
>>>> thru
>>>> a different set of filtering for Aviation, than for Home Heating, or #1
>>>> Diesel, but it all comes from the SAME Tank. With #2 Diesel, in cold
>>>> climates, they have what is called "Winter Mix" where the Distributer
>>>> will mix #1 and #2 Diesel, to lower the GellPoint of the fuel when
>>>> loading the Truck or Barge, for deliveries starting about August, and
>>>> increase the Ratio of #1 to #2 the farther North and away from the
>>>> coast the fuel is destine for. For Gasoline, the distributer will have
>>>> an "Additive Package" that they add to the Tank when dispatching a
>>>> Load, designed for the prospective customer. Many times Shell,
>>>> Chevron, and Mobile Gas Stations, will get their fuel from the same
>>>> Distributer or supplier and the only difference in the fuel is the
>>>> "Additive Package"
>>>> put in, as the basic fuel, ALL COMES FROM THE SAME TANK. Depends on who
>>>> owns the Refinery, or where the Distributer bough his fuel from, the
>>>> last time. I have seen the same truck at two or three different Brand
>>>> Gas Stations, in town, on the same day, delivering fuel. the
>>>> distributer is 250 miles away, so you know they didn't fill the truck
>>>> three times that day.
>>>>
>>> ISTR this is even true with pipelines. When company 'A' puts several
>>> thousands of barrels of #1 'into' the pipeline company's head end, the
>>> pipeline company will deliver the same number of barrels out the end
>>> point without actually trying to calculate transport time or any such.
>>> The fuel that goes into company A's tank could have just as easily been
>>> put in by another company shipping the same product.
>>>
>>> As it is a totally fungible commodity, the pipeline company just logs
>>> how many barrels in one end and that many barrels belong to company 'A'
>>> at the other end.
>>>
>>> But as far as #1, truck fuel, and aviation, is it still all the same now
>>> that road diesel has to be that special (more expensive) ultra-low
>>> sulfur stuff? Or is home heating oil (#1) and aviation jet fuel also
>>> ultra-low sulfur now?
>>>
>>> daestrom
>>
>> My mother ran out of heating oil and asked if I could bring her some. I
>> didn't have a barrel, but the oil distributor said he had an empty I
>> could borrow. When I got there he was filling it with #2 pump diesel. The
>> same stuff you would put in your diesel pickup or tractor. He said it was
>> the same stuff and my mother's furnace ran just fine.
>>
>>
>> Richard W.
> I believe the only difference is dye and taxes. The DOT
> is always after truck drivers using home heating oil to
> run their trucks because it doesn't have the road tax
> included in it's price.
> TDD
I believe you're right on that. I met a survivalist once years ago. All his
cars and trucks were diesel. He used home heating oil in everything. He
claimed to have over 10,000 gallons stored up. Never bought fuel at the pump
unless he was traveling. Every spring when the heating oil prices would go
down, he filled up his tanks.
Richard W.
Posted by Stormin Mormon on July 24, 2009, 2:04 pm
Mr. Survivalist is at risk of big fines from the DOT.
--
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.
> I believe the only difference is dye and taxes. The DOT
> is always after truck drivers using home heating oil to
> run their trucks because it doesn't have the road tax
> included in it's price.
> TDD
I believe you're right on that. I met a survivalist once
years ago. All his
cars and trucks were diesel. He used home heating oil in
everything. He
claimed to have over 10,000 gallons stored up. Never bought
fuel at the pump
unless he was traveling. Every spring when the heating oil
prices would go
down, he filled up his tanks.
Richard W.
Posted by Stormin Mormon on July 24, 2009, 2:05 pm
Had a couple friends who managed to, often, run out of home
heating oil. Diesel runs fine. Home heat oil also works fine
with kerosene.
--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.
> My mother ran out of heating oil and asked if I could
> bring her some. I
> didn't have a barrel, but the oil distributor said he had
> an empty I
> could borrow. When I got there he was filling it with #2
> pump diesel. The
> same stuff you would put in your diesel pickup or tractor.
> He said it was
> the same stuff and my mother's furnace ran just fine.
Posted by Bruce in alaska on July 22, 2009, 2:49 pm
> But as far as #1, truck fuel, and aviation, is it still all the same now
> that road diesel has to be that special (more expensive) ultra-low
> sulfur stuff? Or is home heating oil (#1) and aviation jet fuel also
> ultra-low sulfur now?
>
> daestrom
I can't speak for everywhere, but up here in Alaska #1 diesel is JetA50
Grade, at the Distributer and I believe that ALL our fuel is Low-Sulfur
with a Lubricant Additive Package added to fuels used in Injector and
Turbine based ICE's. Since I burn only #1 in my Gensets, so that I only
have to have one grade of fuel here at the cabin, which has a Open Pot
Diesel Burning Cookstove, and is my Primary Heat, and Hot Water source.
The fuel I get has the Lubricant Additive Package added, and the same
tanker barge delivers to the AirStrip in the next town over, from the
same tank, on the same trip.
--
Bruce in alaska
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Posted by Richard W. on July 24, 2009, 1:52 pm
>> But as far as #1, truck fuel, and aviation, is it still all the same now
>> that road diesel has to be that special (more expensive) ultra-low
>> sulfur stuff? Or is home heating oil (#1) and aviation jet fuel also
>> ultra-low sulfur now?
>>
>> daestrom
> I can't speak for everywhere, but up here in Alaska #1 diesel is JetA50
> Grade, at the Distributer and I believe that ALL our fuel is Low-Sulfur
> with a Lubricant Additive Package added to fuels used in Injector and
> Turbine based ICE's. Since I burn only #1 in my Gensets, so that I only
> have to have one grade of fuel here at the cabin, which has a Open Pot
> Diesel Burning Cookstove, and is my Primary Heat, and Hot Water source.
> The fuel I get has the Lubricant Additive Package added, and the same
> tanker barge delivers to the AirStrip in the next town over, from the
> same tank, on the same trip.
> --
> Bruce in alaska
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I have known people who do the same thing, only they started to have to much
injector pump problems. They started adding 1 quart of 30 weight oil to a 25
gallon tank to put the sulpher the older diesel engines required. That was
quite a few years back they were doing this.
Richard W.
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>>> Bruce in alaska wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> By the way, correct me if I'm wrong
>>>>> but isn't jet fuel blended with additives to prevent gelling or
>>>>> microbe
>>>>> infestation since jet fuel is often exposed to environmental extremes?
>>>>>
>>>>> TDD
>>>> Nope, "Jet Fuel" as you call it is JetA50, and is the same thing a #1
>>>> Diesel, Home Heating Oil, and a few other names. The difference is,
>>>> that to be classed JetA50, and sold for Aviation Fuel, it MUST be
>>>> Filtered to FAA Spec, and be within the Specific Gravity, FAA Spec.
>>>> So, what the Distributer does, is he has only one Grade of #1 Diesel in
>>>> his tanks and when he pumps it for Transport to a customer, it goes
>>>> thru
>>>> a different set of filtering for Aviation, than for Home Heating, or #1
>>>> Diesel, but it all comes from the SAME Tank. With #2 Diesel, in cold
>>>> climates, they have what is called "Winter Mix" where the Distributer
>>>> will mix #1 and #2 Diesel, to lower the GellPoint of the fuel when
>>>> loading the Truck or Barge, for deliveries starting about August, and
>>>> increase the Ratio of #1 to #2 the farther North and away from the
>>>> coast the fuel is destine for. For Gasoline, the distributer will have
>>>> an "Additive Package" that they add to the Tank when dispatching a
>>>> Load, designed for the prospective customer. Many times Shell,
>>>> Chevron, and Mobile Gas Stations, will get their fuel from the same
>>>> Distributer or supplier and the only difference in the fuel is the
>>>> "Additive Package"
>>>> put in, as the basic fuel, ALL COMES FROM THE SAME TANK. Depends on who
>>>> owns the Refinery, or where the Distributer bough his fuel from, the
>>>> last time. I have seen the same truck at two or three different Brand
>>>> Gas Stations, in town, on the same day, delivering fuel. the
>>>> distributer is 250 miles away, so you know they didn't fill the truck
>>>> three times that day.
>>>>
>>> ISTR this is even true with pipelines. When company 'A' puts several
>>> thousands of barrels of #1 'into' the pipeline company's head end, the
>>> pipeline company will deliver the same number of barrels out the end
>>> point without actually trying to calculate transport time or any such.
>>> The fuel that goes into company A's tank could have just as easily been
>>> put in by another company shipping the same product.
>>>
>>> As it is a totally fungible commodity, the pipeline company just logs
>>> how many barrels in one end and that many barrels belong to company 'A'
>>> at the other end.
>>>
>>> But as far as #1, truck fuel, and aviation, is it still all the same now
>>> that road diesel has to be that special (more expensive) ultra-low
>>> sulfur stuff? Or is home heating oil (#1) and aviation jet fuel also
>>> ultra-low sulfur now?
>>>
>>> daestrom
>>
>> My mother ran out of heating oil and asked if I could bring her some. I
>> didn't have a barrel, but the oil distributor said he had an empty I
>> could borrow. When I got there he was filling it with #2 pump diesel. The
>> same stuff you would put in your diesel pickup or tractor. He said it was
>> the same stuff and my mother's furnace ran just fine.
>>
>>
>> Richard W.
> I believe the only difference is dye and taxes. The DOT
> is always after truck drivers using home heating oil to
> run their trucks because it doesn't have the road tax
> included in it's price.
> TDD