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Posted by ransley on July 25, 2009, 12:42 pm
> > harry wrote: > > >> Bruce in alaska wrote: > > >>>> By the way, correct me if I'm wrong > > >>>> but isn't jet fuel blended with additives to prevent gelling or microbe > > >>>> infestation since jet fuel is often exposed to environmental extremes? > > >>>> TDD > > >>> Nope, "Jet Fuel" as you call it is JetA50, and is the same thing a #1 > > >>> Diesel, Home Heating Oil, and a few other names. The difference is, > > >>> that to be classed JetA50, and sold for Aviation Fuel, it MUST be > > >>> Filtered to FAA Spec, and be within the Specific Gravity, FAA Spec. > > >>> So, what the Distributer does, is he has only one Grade of #1 Diesel in > > >>> his tanks and when he pumps it for Transport to a customer, it goes thru > > >>> a different set of filtering for Aviation, than for Home Heating, or #1 > > >>> Diesel, but it all comes from the SAME Tank. > > >> My buddy has a liquid fuels business and I have seen the tanks and > > >> pumping systems at multiple fuel dumps and they all had a totally > > >> separate tank for Jet A if Jet A was delivered from that facility. In my > > >> area there are two huge fuel dumps but the Jet A used at the local > > >> airports is trucked in on transports from another state. Also there > > >> isn't a tank called "#1 diesel". They have multiple tanks for ULSD and > > >> LSD and kerosene. > > >> With #2 Diesel, in cold > > >>> climates, they have what is called "Winter Mix" where the Distributer > > >>> will mix #1 and #2 Diesel, to lower the GellPoint of the fuel when > > >>> loading the Truck or Barge, for deliveries starting about August, and > > >>> increase the Ratio of #1 to #2 the farther North and away from the coast > > >>> the fuel is destine for. For Gasoline, the distributer will have an > > >>> "Additive Package" that they add to the Tank when dispatching a Load, > > >>> designed for the prospective customer. > > >> It is more complicated than that. Certain additives are required and > > >> certain additives are optional. They have an array of injector pumps > > >> that meter in the additives when the truck is on the loading rack > > >> according to what the customer purchased. > > >> Many times Shell, Chevron, and > > >>> Mobile Gas Stations, will get their fuel from the same Distributer or > > >>> supplier and the only difference in the fuel is the "Additive Package" > > >>> put in, as the basic fuel, ALL COMES FROM THE SAME TANK. Depends on who > > >>> owns the Refinery, or where the Distributer bough his fuel from, the > > >>> last time. I have seen the same truck at two or three different Brand > > >>> Gas Stations, in town, on the same day, delivering fuel. the distributer > > >>> is 250 miles away, so you know they didn't fill the truck three times > > >>> that day. > > >> All truck tankers have bulkheads to form multiple compartments. That > > >> adds strength and limits spillage in case the tanker is damaged and it > > >> also allows them to haul different product in each compartment if they want. > > > You can add paraffin (kerosine) to diesel to stop it gelling in cold > > > weather. (Mix thoroughly). > > I think maybe you meant add kerosene to lower the amount of parafin? > > Parafin is what is responsible for the gelling effect. > > > As well as visible water in fuel there can be dissolved water. For > > > most applications this doesn't matter. However in extremely low > > > temperatures ice can form so blocking small jets/apertures. This > > > can't be filtered out but there is a filterlike device that chemically > > > removes dissolved water in fuel. They use them on airfields, usually > > > adjacent to the regular filters. Ocassionally you see a combined > > > device. > What you call kerosine in the USA we in the UK call paraffin. > Like hoods & bonnets. Bumpers & fenders. Trunks & boots. :-)- Hide quoted text - > - Show quoted text -
And when the kids in school ask for a rubber nobody stares, it means
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Posted by The Daring Dufas on July 25, 2009, 4:50 pm
ransley wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >>> harry wrote: >>>>> Bruce in alaska wrote: >>>>>>> By the way, correct me if I'm wrong >>>>>>> but isn't jet fuel blended with additives to prevent gelling or microbe >>>>>>> infestation since jet fuel is often exposed to environmental extremes? >>>>>>> TDD >>>>>> Nope, "Jet Fuel" as you call it is JetA50, and is the same thing a #1 >>>>>> Diesel, Home Heating Oil, and a few other names. The difference is, >>>>>> that to be classed JetA50, and sold for Aviation Fuel, it MUST be >>>>>> Filtered to FAA Spec, and be within the Specific Gravity, FAA Spec. >>>>>> So, what the Distributer does, is he has only one Grade of #1 Diesel in >>>>>> his tanks and when he pumps it for Transport to a customer, it goes thru >>>>>> a different set of filtering for Aviation, than for Home Heating, or #1 >>>>>> Diesel, but it all comes from the SAME Tank. >>>>> My buddy has a liquid fuels business and I have seen the tanks and >>>>> pumping systems at multiple fuel dumps and they all had a totally >>>>> separate tank for Jet A if Jet A was delivered from that facility. In my >>>>> area there are two huge fuel dumps but the Jet A used at the local >>>>> airports is trucked in on transports from another state. Also there >>>>> isn't a tank called "#1 diesel". They have multiple tanks for ULSD and >>>>> LSD and kerosene. >>>>> With #2 Diesel, in cold >>>>>> climates, they have what is called "Winter Mix" where the Distributer >>>>>> will mix #1 and #2 Diesel, to lower the GellPoint of the fuel when >>>>>> loading the Truck or Barge, for deliveries starting about August, and >>>>>> increase the Ratio of #1 to #2 the farther North and away from the coast >>>>>> the fuel is destine for. For Gasoline, the distributer will have an >>>>>> "Additive Package" that they add to the Tank when dispatching a Load, >>>>>> designed for the prospective customer. >>>>> It is more complicated than that. Certain additives are required and >>>>> certain additives are optional. They have an array of injector pumps >>>>> that meter in the additives when the truck is on the loading rack >>>>> according to what the customer purchased. >>>>> Many times Shell, Chevron, and >>>>>> Mobile Gas Stations, will get their fuel from the same Distributer or >>>>>> supplier and the only difference in the fuel is the "Additive Package" >>>>>> put in, as the basic fuel, ALL COMES FROM THE SAME TANK. Depends on who >>>>>> owns the Refinery, or where the Distributer bough his fuel from, the >>>>>> last time. I have seen the same truck at two or three different Brand >>>>>> Gas Stations, in town, on the same day, delivering fuel. the distributer >>>>>> is 250 miles away, so you know they didn't fill the truck three times >>>>>> that day. >>>>> All truck tankers have bulkheads to form multiple compartments. That >>>>> adds strength and limits spillage in case the tanker is damaged and it >>>>> also allows them to haul different product in each compartment if they
want.
>>>> You can add paraffin (kerosine) to diesel to stop it gelling in cold >>>> weather. (Mix thoroughly). >>> I think maybe you meant add kerosene to lower the amount of parafin? >>> Parafin is what is responsible for the gelling effect. >>>> As well as visible water in fuel there can be dissolved water. For >>>> most applications this doesn't matter. However in extremely low >>>> temperatures ice can form so blocking small jets/apertures. This >>>> can't be filtered out but there is a filterlike device that chemically >>>> removes dissolved water in fuel. They use them on airfields, usually >>>> adjacent to the regular filters. Ocassionally you see a combined >>>> device. >> What you call kerosine in the USA we in the UK call paraffin. >> Like hoods & bonnets. Bumpers & fenders. Trunks & boots. :-)- Hide quoted
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>> >> - Show quoted text - > > And when the kids in school ask for a rubber nobody stares, it means > eraser
In the U.S., "rubbers" used to commonly mean "rubber overshoes".
TDD
Posted by Percival P. Cassidy on July 25, 2009, 5:01 pm
ransley wrote:
>> What you call kerosine in the USA we in the UK call paraffin. >> Like hoods & bonnets. Bumpers & fenders. Trunks & boots. :-)-
Or butts and bums.
> And when the kids in school ask for a rubber nobody stares, it means > eraser
"Two great nations divided by a common language" (George Bernard Shaw?
Winston Churchill?)
But problems may arise in other varieties of English too. I had not been
in Australia long when I heard somebody ask for some Durex. In UK, as in
USA, Durex was/is a common brand of condom. Perhaps Durex condoms did
exist in Australia too, but it was also the brand of a widely used
adhesive tape (a local equivalent of "Scotch tape" -- or "Sellotape" for
the Brits; does the latter still exist?).
Perce
(dual-citizen OzBrit -- aka "whingeing Pommie bastard" -- in exile in US
Midwest)
Posted by Stormin Mormon on July 26, 2009, 1:04 am
One of my favorite stories, was the English man in US during
the war. He was on the phone. The operator came on, asked if
he was through. He said yes, so she disconnected him. He was
storming about that over breakfast the next day. His host
found the problem.
For the English, Through = connected. Are you "through to
your party yet?". In America, Through = compelted. "Are you
through with your call?"
--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.
"Two great nations divided by a common language" (George
Bernard Shaw?
Winston Churchill?)
But problems may arise in other varieties of English too. I
had not been
in Australia long when I heard somebody ask for some Durex.
In UK, as in
USA, Durex was/is a common brand of condom. Perhaps Durex
condoms did
exist in Australia too, but it was also the brand of a
widely used
adhesive tape (a local equivalent of "Scotch tape" -- or
"Sellotape" for
the Brits; does the latter still exist?).
Perce
(dual-citizen OzBrit -- aka "whingeing Pommie bastard" -- in
exile in US
Midwest)
Posted by everton on July 26, 2009, 3:02 am
On Sat, 25 Jul 2009 21:04:22 -0400, "Stormin Mormon"
>One of my favorite stories, was the English man in US during >the war. He was on the phone. The operator came on, asked if >he was through. He said yes, so she disconnected him. He was >storming about that over breakfast the next day. His host >found the problem. >For the English, Through = connected. Are you "through to >your party yet?". In America, Through = compelted. "Are you >through with your call?"
> > >> Bruce in alaska wrote:
> > >>>> By the way, correct me if I'm wrong
> > >>>> but isn't jet fuel blended with additives to prevent gelling or microbe
> > >>>> infestation since jet fuel is often exposed to environmental extremes?
> > >>>> TDD
> > >>> Nope, "Jet Fuel" as you call it is JetA50, and is the same thing a #1
> > >>> Diesel, Home Heating Oil, and a few other names. The difference is,
> > >>> that to be classed JetA50, and sold for Aviation Fuel, it MUST be
> > >>> Filtered to FAA Spec, and be within the Specific Gravity, FAA Spec.
> > >>> So, what the Distributer does, is he has only one Grade of #1 Diesel in
> > >>> his tanks and when he pumps it for Transport to a customer, it goes thru
> > >>> a different set of filtering for Aviation, than for Home Heating, or #1
> > >>> Diesel, but it all comes from the SAME Tank.
> > >> My buddy has a liquid fuels business and I have seen the tanks and
> > >> pumping systems at multiple fuel dumps and they all had a totally
> > >> separate tank for Jet A if Jet A was delivered from that facility. In my
> > >> area there are two huge fuel dumps but the Jet A used at the local
> > >> airports is trucked in on transports from another state. Also there
> > >> isn't a tank called "#1 diesel". They have multiple tanks for ULSD and
> > >> LSD and kerosene.
> > >> With #2 Diesel, in cold
> > >>> climates, they have what is called "Winter Mix" where the Distributer
> > >>> will mix #1 and #2 Diesel, to lower the GellPoint of the fuel when
> > >>> loading the Truck or Barge, for deliveries starting about August, and
> > >>> increase the Ratio of #1 to #2 the farther North and away from the coast
> > >>> the fuel is destine for. For Gasoline, the distributer will have an
> > >>> "Additive Package" that they add to the Tank when dispatching a Load,
> > >>> designed for the prospective customer.
> > >> It is more complicated than that. Certain additives are required and
> > >> certain additives are optional. They have an array of injector pumps
> > >> that meter in the additives when the truck is on the loading rack
> > >> according to what the customer purchased.
> > >> Many times Shell, Chevron, and
> > >>> Mobile Gas Stations, will get their fuel from the same Distributer or
> > >>> supplier and the only difference in the fuel is the "Additive Package"
> > >>> put in, as the basic fuel, ALL COMES FROM THE SAME TANK. Depends on who
> > >>> owns the Refinery, or where the Distributer bough his fuel from, the
> > >>> last time. I have seen the same truck at two or three different Brand
> > >>> Gas Stations, in town, on the same day, delivering fuel. the distributer
> > >>> is 250 miles away, so you know they didn't fill the truck three times
> > >>> that day.
> > >> All truck tankers have bulkheads to form multiple compartments. That
> > >> adds strength and limits spillage in case the tanker is damaged and it
> > >> also allows them to haul different product in each compartment if they want.
> > > You can add paraffin (kerosine) to diesel to stop it gelling in cold
> > > weather. (Mix thoroughly).
> > I think maybe you meant add kerosene to lower the amount of parafin?
> > Parafin is what is responsible for the gelling effect.
> > > As well as visible water in fuel there can be dissolved water. For
> > > most applications this doesn't matter. However in extremely low
> > > temperatures ice can form so blocking small jets/apertures. This
> > > can't be filtered out but there is a filterlike device that chemically
> > > removes dissolved water in fuel. They use them on airfields, usually
> > > adjacent to the regular filters. Ocassionally you see a combined
> > > device.
> What you call kerosine in the USA we in the UK call paraffin.
> Like hoods & bonnets. Bumpers & fenders. Trunks & boots. :-)- Hide quoted text -
> - Show quoted text -