Posted by aemeijers on July 7, 2008, 11:08 pm
Cydrome Leader wrote:
>>> Vaughn Simon wrote:
>>>>> how does a honda GX390 differ from one label to another? they appear to all
>>>>> have the same 13hp, 6600w-8000w (max) power, 30amp
>>>> ? ?GX390 is the model number of the engine, not the entire generator.
?Sombody
>>>> (probably somebody in China) mated that Honda engine to a sombody's
generator
>>>> and added the frame and other parts to make the entire package. ?You do not
have
>>>> a Honda generator unit, you have an off-brand generator that happens to
sport a
>>>> common Honda industrial engine.
>>>> ? ?That is not necessarily a bad thing, my pressure cleaner (bought at HD)
is
>>>> the same deal and seems to be just fine.
>>>> Vaughn
>>> I'll second that- my lawn mower is an off-brand 'Powered by Honda', but
>>> it is not a Honda lawnmower. A genuine Honda lawnmower would have cost
>>> $00, this one cost $25 or so. Engine has held up great with spotty
>>> maintenance and regular abuse. Since there isn't a whole lot else to
>>> break on a lawnmower, I figured I would take the risk and save some money.
>>>
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>> Honda is a good motor, but until recently they only made a commercial
>> unit good for 2-4000 hrs. The GX might be the new homeowner grade,
>> good for maybe 300-800 hours.
>
> GX IS the commercial grade. There is a more junior series of engines, but
> they're called something other than GX.
Y'all got me curious enough to dig out the manuals for my 'power by
Honda' MTD push mower. The engine is a GCV190.
GoogleGoogleGoogle
It does appear to be their 'residential' grade, not the commercial one.
But it is shown as being the same one used as in their own expen$ive
Honda-branded mowers. At 3 hours per mowing cycle, and 20? mowings per
year, it already has at least 180 hours on it. It damn well better last
more than 300 hours without a major rebuild. No signs of smoking or hard
starting so far, knock on sheet metal.
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aem sends...
Posted by Cydrome Leader on July 8, 2008, 4:39 am
> Cydrome Leader wrote:
>>>> Vaughn Simon wrote:
>>>>>> how does a honda GX390 differ from one label to another? they appear to
all
>>>>>> have the same 13hp, 6600w-8000w (max) power, 30amp
>>>>> ? ?GX390 is the model number of the engine, not the entire generator.
?Sombody
>>>>> (probably somebody in China) mated that Honda engine to a sombody's
generator
>>>>> and added the frame and other parts to make the entire package. ?You do
not have
>>>>> a Honda generator unit, you have an off-brand generator that happens to
sport a
>>>>> common Honda industrial engine.
>>>>> ? ?That is not necessarily a bad thing, my pressure cleaner (bought at HD)
is
>>>>> the same deal and seems to be just fine.
>>>>> Vaughn
>>>> I'll second that- my lawn mower is an off-brand 'Powered by Honda', but
>>>> it is not a Honda lawnmower. A genuine Honda lawnmower would have cost
>>>> $00, this one cost $25 or so. Engine has held up great with spotty
>>>> maintenance and regular abuse. Since there isn't a whole lot else to
>>>> break on a lawnmower, I figured I would take the risk and save some money.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> aem sends...- Hide quoted text -
>>>>
>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>> Honda is a good motor, but until recently they only made a commercial
>>> unit good for 2-4000 hrs. The GX might be the new homeowner grade,
>>> good for maybe 300-800 hours.
>>
>> GX IS the commercial grade. There is a more junior series of engines, but
>> they're called something other than GX.
>
> Y'all got me curious enough to dig out the manuals for my 'power by
> Honda' MTD push mower. The engine is a GCV190.
>
> GoogleGoogleGoogle
>
> It does appear to be their 'residential' grade, not the commercial one.
> But it is shown as being the same one used as in their own expen$ive
> Honda-branded mowers. At 3 hours per mowing cycle, and 20? mowings per
> year, it already has at least 180 hours on it. It damn well better last
> more than 300 hours without a major rebuild. No signs of smoking or hard
> starting so far, knock on sheet metal.
This is the "best" description of the two series of engines I can find
http://www.perr.com/honda.html
One's tougher, one's quieter? who knows.
Posted by Ulysses on July 8, 2008, 5:29 pm
> >
> > It does appear to be their 'residential' grade, not the commercial one.
> > But it is shown as being the same one used as in their own expen$ive
> > Honda-branded mowers. At 3 hours per mowing cycle, and 20? mowings per
> > year, it already has at least 180 hours on it. It damn well better last
> > more than 300 hours without a major rebuild. No signs of smoking or hard
> > starting so far, knock on sheet metal.
> This is the "best" description of the two series of engines I can find
> http://www.perr.com/honda.html
> One's tougher, one's quieter? who knows.
That's a good description but it still leaves me wondering how an engine
gets to be called GX instead of GC. They are also saying that there is a 3
HP GX100 that is included in the GX series and that it has an overhead cam
and uniblock construction which fits into the GC definition but not the GX..
Posted by Ulysses on July 8, 2008, 5:14 pm
> Cydrome Leader wrote:
> >>> Vaughn Simon wrote:
> >>>>> how does a honda GX390 differ from one label to another? they appear
to all
> >>>>> have the same 13hp, 6600w-8000w (max) power, 30amp
> >>>> ? ?GX390 is the model number of the engine, not the entire generator.
?Sombody
> >>>> (probably somebody in China) mated that Honda engine to a sombody's
generator
> >>>> and added the frame and other parts to make the entire package. ?You
do not have
> >>>> a Honda generator unit, you have an off-brand generator that happens
to sport a
> >>>> common Honda industrial engine.
> >>>> ? ?That is not necessarily a bad thing, my pressure cleaner (bought
at HD) is
> >>>> the same deal and seems to be just fine.
> >>>> Vaughn
> >>> I'll second that- my lawn mower is an off-brand 'Powered by Honda',
but
> >>> it is not a Honda lawnmower. A genuine Honda lawnmower would have cost
> >>> $00, this one cost $25 or so. Engine has held up great with spotty
> >>> maintenance and regular abuse. Since there isn't a whole lot else to
> >>> break on a lawnmower, I figured I would take the risk and save some
money.
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> aem sends...- Hide quoted text -
> >>>
> >>> - Show quoted text -
> >> Honda is a good motor, but until recently they only made a commercial
> >> unit good for 2-4000 hrs. The GX might be the new homeowner grade,
> >> good for maybe 300-800 hours.
> >
> > GX IS the commercial grade. There is a more junior series of engines,
but
> > they're called something other than GX.
> Y'all got me curious enough to dig out the manuals for my 'power by
> Honda' MTD push mower. The engine is a GCV190.
> GoogleGoogleGoogle
> It does appear to be their 'residential' grade, not the commercial one.
> But it is shown as being the same one used as in their own expen$ive
> Honda-branded mowers. At 3 hours per mowing cycle, and 20? mowings per
> year, it already has at least 180 hours on it. It damn well better last
> more than 300 hours without a major rebuild. No signs of smoking or hard
> starting so far, knock on sheet metal.
That's not even broken in yet ;-) I've had a Honda GC engine last for
about 12,000 hours with regular oil changes and a few valve adjustments etc.
Another one lasted about 7200 hours. These were both on eu2000 generators
with Eco Throttle so they were seldom running at full RPM.
3 hours per mowing cycle? That's a LOT of grass. I think most people
probably run their mowers only 15-20 minutes per week and maybe 25 weeks a
year. At that rate the cheapest B&S rated for only 300 hours could last
well over 30 years.
For the record, Honda told me that the engine for the eu2000 is a GX100.
The GX engines are usually overhead valve types with pushrods. The GC
engines are overhead cam types with a timing belt and cam. The eu2000
engine has "GCxxxxxxx" stamped on the side and has a drive belt and cam so I
don't see how they can say it's a GX.
> --
> aem sends...
Posted by ransley on July 8, 2008, 7:06 pm
> Cydrome Leader wrote:
> >>> Vaughn Simon wrote:
> >>>>> how does a honda GX390 differ from one label to another? they appear to all
> >>>>> have the same 13hp, 6600w-8000w (max) power, 30amp
> >>>> ? ?GX390 is the model number of the engine, not the entire generator. ?Sombody
> >>>> (probably somebody in China) mated that Honda engine to a sombody's generator
> >>>> and added the frame and other parts to make the entire package. ?You do not have
> >>>> a Honda generator unit, you have an off-brand generator that happens to sport a
> >>>> common Honda industrial engine.
> >>>> ? ?That is not necessarily a bad thing, my pressure cleaner (bought at HD) is
> >>>> the same deal and seems to be just fine.
> >>>> Vaughn
> >>> I'll second that- my lawn mower is an off-brand 'Powered by Honda', but
> >>> it is not a Honda lawnmower. A genuine Honda lawnmower would have cost
> >>> $00, this one cost $25 or so. Engine has held up great with spotty
> >>> maintenance and regular abuse. Since there isn't a whole lot else to
> >>> break on a lawnmower, I figured I would take the risk and save some money.
> >>> --
> >>> aem sends...- Hide quoted text -
> >>> - Show quoted text -
> >> Honda is a good motor, but until recently they only made a commercial
> >> unit good for 2-4000 hrs. The GX might be the new homeowner grade,
> >> good for maybe 300-800 hours.
> > GX IS the commercial grade. There is a more junior series of engines, but
> > they're called something other than GX.
> Y'all got me curious enough to dig out the manuals for my 'power by
> Honda' MTD push mower. The engine is a GCV190.
> GoogleGoogleGoogle
> It does appear to be their 'residential' grade, not the commercial one.
> But it is shown as being the same one used as in their own expen$ive
> Honda-branded mowers. At 3 hours per mowing cycle, and 20? mowings per
> year, it already has at least 180 hours on it. It damn well better last
> more than 300 hours without a major rebuild. No signs of smoking or hard
> starting so far, knock on sheet metal.
> --
> aem sends...- Hide quoted text -
> - Show quoted text -
I read about it, its a different design with internal belt, knowing
Honda its good for a long long time.
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>>>>> how does a honda GX390 differ from one label to another? they appear to all
>>>>> have the same 13hp, 6600w-8000w (max) power, 30amp
>>>> ? ?GX390 is the model number of the engine, not the entire generator.