Posted by Ulysses on October 18, 2008, 1:04 pm
Thanks for the continued updates and inspiration!
Speaking of inspiration it was windy a few days agoo (finally) so I took my
eu2000 wind generator up to the top of the hill. I got readings of 43 volts
DC and and it even got up to 10 amps momentarily! Actually, it could have
been higher as I was using a multimeter and it only goes up to 10 amps. I
have it attempting to charge two old 6 volt batteries right now but of
course the wind stopped blowing as soon as I got them up there.
> Doing a little tuning now that winter is here.
> Starting with the connections I used a larger T on the 1-1/2 inch line
> and then stepped down to the 3/4ths at the last possible section before
> the nozzles. Also took apart all the connections and dremmeled out the
> steps to help a smooth transition between sizes, rather than having hard
> edges going from like 1-1/2 inch to 1 inch and then to 3/4 ths -- kind of
> like you would to port and polish an intake manifold for an engine.
> I'm still trying to get a large Wye rather than a T. I have access to a
> fire hose Wye but making the quarter turn connection (wildland
> firefighting) to NTP is somewhat difficult. Also saving up my pennies to
> move to two inch rather than inch and a half, which should nearly double
> my output according to the math. Its not cheap though.. so I might hold
> off on the wye biz till I upgrade the main pipe.
> Also moved the nozzles as close as I could get to the pelton wheel
> without hitting it.. I'm getting around 40 volts open running where as
> before I'd get maybe 30-32. Now i just need to redesign the brakets to
> keep it aimed better, but i'm getting ready for some serious rain.
> Still can only run it about 10 hours a day now.. come the RAIN!
> cheers
> -zachary
> btw: here is the system http://www.homebrewhydro.com but its a bit
> outdated
Posted by z on October 18, 2008, 2:25 pm
> Thanks for the continued updates and inspiration!
>
> Speaking of inspiration it was windy a few days agoo (finally) so I
> took my eu2000 wind generator up to the top of the hill. I got
> readings of 43 volts DC and and it even got up to 10 amps momentarily!
> Actually, it could have been higher as I was using a multimeter and
> it only goes up to 10 amps.
Now THATS more like it man! Sounds like you've hit the sweet spot on
that thing. Yeah I should try the amp meter on my new multimeter.. my
old one blew the fuse when I tried to measure amps.
But it sounds like you're in a good range for using that thing .. you
going to mount it up more permenant ??
Also you gotta think of a cool name for it..
I have it attempting to charge two old 6
> volt batteries right now but of course the wind stopped blowing as
> soon as I got them up there.
>
>
>> Doing a little tuning now that winter is here.
>>
>> Starting with the connections I used a larger T on the 1-1/2 inch
>> line and then stepped down to the 3/4ths at the last possible section
>> before the nozzles. Also took apart all the connections and
>> dremmeled out the steps to help a smooth transition between sizes,
>> rather than having hard edges going from like 1-1/2 inch to 1 inch
>> and then to 3/4 ths -- kind of like you would to port and polish an
>> intake manifold for an engine.
>>
>> I'm still trying to get a large Wye rather than a T. I have access
>> to a fire hose Wye but making the quarter turn connection (wildland
>> firefighting) to NTP is somewhat difficult. Also saving up my
>> pennies to move to two inch rather than inch and a half, which should
>> nearly double my output according to the math. Its not cheap
>> though.. so I might hold off on the wye biz till I upgrade the main
>> pipe.
>>
>> Also moved the nozzles as close as I could get to the pelton wheel
>> without hitting it.. I'm getting around 40 volts open running where
>> as before I'd get maybe 30-32. Now i just need to redesign the
>> brakets to keep it aimed better, but i'm getting ready for some
>> serious rain.
>>
>> Still can only run it about 10 hours a day now.. come the RAIN!
>>
>> cheers
>>
>> -zachary
>>
>> btw: here is the system http://www.homebrewhydro.com but its a bit
>> outdated
>
>
>
Posted by Bob F on October 18, 2008, 3:58 pm
>> Thanks for the continued updates and inspiration!
>>
>> Speaking of inspiration it was windy a few days agoo (finally) so I
>> took my eu2000 wind generator up to the top of the hill. I got
>> readings of 43 volts DC and and it even got up to 10 amps momentarily!
>> Actually, it could have been higher as I was using a multimeter and
>> it only goes up to 10 amps.
> Now THATS more like it man! Sounds like you've hit the sweet spot on
> that thing. Yeah I should try the amp meter on my new multimeter.. my
> old one blew the fuse when I tried to measure amps.
Remember - amp meters measure the current between a source and a load. Never try
to measure the current between the two leads of a source, which will essentially
short the sources output through the meter. Similarly, don't try to measure the
current in a circuit unless you know the current is within the operating range
of the meter. If you try to measure a current which is too large, if you are
lucky you will blow the meters fuse. If you aren't, you will blow the meter.
Posted by z on October 18, 2008, 5:58 pm
>
>>
>>> Thanks for the continued updates and inspiration!
>>>
>>> Speaking of inspiration it was windy a few days agoo (finally) so I
>>> took my eu2000 wind generator up to the top of the hill. I got
>>> readings of 43 volts DC and and it even got up to 10 amps
>>> momentarily!
>>> Actually, it could have been higher as I was using a multimeter and
>>> it only goes up to 10 amps.
>>
>> Now THATS more like it man! Sounds like you've hit the sweet spot on
>> that thing. Yeah I should try the amp meter on my new multimeter..
>> my old one blew the fuse when I tried to measure amps.
>
> Remember - amp meters measure the current between a source and a load.
> Never try to measure the current between the two leads of a source,
> which will essentially short the sources output through the meter.
> Similarly, don't try to measure the current in a circuit unless you
> know the current is within the operating range of the meter. If you
> try to measure a current which is too large, if you are lucky you will
> blow the meters fuse. If you aren't, you will blow the meter.
>
>
OK how does this sound?
I unhooked the solar panels and ran the hydro through the solar charge
controller which has an ammeter. It read 6 amps.
Then I measured the voltage at the generator and it read 15 (there is a
blocking diod in that part of the system so that should be what its
producing and not the battery voltage).
so 15 x 6 = 90 watts
or would it be 12 x 6 ?
either way thats what it looks like i'm making..
need more.. NEED MORE!!
-zachary
Posted by Vaughn Simon on October 18, 2008, 7:05 pm
>>
>>>
>>>> Thanks for the continued updates and inspiration!
>>>>
>>>> Speaking of inspiration it was windy a few days agoo (finally) so I
>>>> took my eu2000 wind generator up to the top of the hill. I got
>>>> readings of 43 volts DC and and it even got up to 10 amps
>>>> momentarily!
>>>> Actually, it could have been higher as I was using a multimeter and
>>>> it only goes up to 10 amps.
>>>
>>> Now THATS more like it man! Sounds like you've hit the sweet spot on
>>> that thing. Yeah I should try the amp meter on my new multimeter..
>>> my old one blew the fuse when I tried to measure amps.
>>
>> Remember - amp meters measure the current between a source and a load.
>> Never try to measure the current between the two leads of a source,
>> which will essentially short the sources output through the meter.
>> Similarly, don't try to measure the current in a circuit unless you
>> know the current is within the operating range of the meter. If you
>> try to measure a current which is too large, if you are lucky you will
>> blow the meters fuse. If you aren't, you will blow the meter.
>>
>>
> OK how does this sound?
> I unhooked the solar panels and ran the hydro through the solar charge
> controller which has an ammeter. It read 6 amps.
It sounds like you are on the right track...
> Then I measured the voltage at the generator and it read 15 (there is a
> blocking diod in that part of the system so that should be what its
> producing and not the battery voltage).
> so 15 x 6 = 90 watts
> or would it be 12 x 6 ?
Let's say 13 x 6 = 78 watts
> either way thats what it looks like i'm making..
> need more.. NEED MORE!!
MPPT charger? Given that large open circuit voltage, you are always going to
lose big if you are using a plain analog charger. You have a huge impedance
mismatch.
This is probably the configuration you should be in when you are tuning your
system. The ideal setup for spinning under load may not be the same as that for
free-spinning. (But I am just guessing, listen to the experts and ignore me if
they disagree.)
Now if you install separate blocking diodes, you can (for sure) run solar
during the day and hydro after dark. You probably will find that there is no
reason they can't be run together if your controller is up to the job. I have
been running two very mismatched PV panels that way for years now. The output
with both of them pulling together is greater that the output of either of them
by itself, so I know it is working.
Vaughn
> Starting with the connections I used a larger T on the 1-1/2 inch line
> and then stepped down to the 3/4ths at the last possible section before
> the nozzles. Also took apart all the connections and dremmeled out the
> steps to help a smooth transition between sizes, rather than having hard
> edges going from like 1-1/2 inch to 1 inch and then to 3/4 ths -- kind of
> like you would to port and polish an intake manifold for an engine.
> I'm still trying to get a large Wye rather than a T. I have access to a
> fire hose Wye but making the quarter turn connection (wildland
> firefighting) to NTP is somewhat difficult. Also saving up my pennies to
> move to two inch rather than inch and a half, which should nearly double
> my output according to the math. Its not cheap though.. so I might hold
> off on the wye biz till I upgrade the main pipe.
> Also moved the nozzles as close as I could get to the pelton wheel
> without hitting it.. I'm getting around 40 volts open running where as
> before I'd get maybe 30-32. Now i just need to redesign the brakets to
> keep it aimed better, but i'm getting ready for some serious rain.
> Still can only run it about 10 hours a day now.. come the RAIN!
> cheers
> -zachary
> btw: here is the system http://www.homebrewhydro.com but its a bit
> outdated