Posted by firstname.lastname@example.org on July 1, 2008, 2:52 pm
I thought you would like to know of my following activity recently:
I saw a GEM EV on the street near my home.
I asked the owner if he charges his car from the sun. He said, "no".
He said he charges it by plugging into his house current every night.
I then made the following placard and stood by his car while it was
parked on the street. The placard read:
"This electric car is one of the WORST polluting vehicles in the
world! The batteries in this car are NOT charged with CLEAN solar
energy. The batteries are charged with house current which is
generated by POLLUTING electric companies. Companies which continually
emit carbon dioxide and who knows what else!
SAVE THE PLANET BY NOT BUYING ONE OF THESE CARS !
(that is- unless they come with solar panels) "
Just about every person who read my sign- agreed with my statement.
When the owner returned, he was somewhat distressed. (which was not my
intent-hopefully, he will go out and buy some solar panels)
I just want you to know that I plan to show my (above) sign next to
YOUR EV if I ever see it on a street.
I will do this UNLESS:
1. Your company gets rid of the 110v ac plug on your car.
2. Your company provides the car with a REMOVABLE battery pack.
3. Your company sells an extra battery pack or more with the car.
4. Your company sells an array of solar panels (with a decent
warranty)which is enough to charge the extra battery pack in 8 hours
of sunlight! (while the driver is out driving his car)
In other words; there is enough sunlight in just about every place
on earth to charge an extra battery pack in 1 to 4 days. The packs can
be made to be quickly and easily exchanged from panel to car, and vise
versa by the owner. (by hand or with a wheeled dolly) There is no
reason to plug your car into the grid!
I am declaring WAR on plug-in vehicles!
I hope I've made my position clear on this.
Sincerely, Michael Korman
Posted by EXT on July 1, 2008, 3:11 pm
You think that the mining of the needed minerals, smelting, transportation,
chemical production, manufacturing, then disposal of spent batteries is not
polluting? Having multiple battery packs would increase this pollution
several fold. A car that plugs into the grid is still less polluting than
gasoline, especially when you consider the pollution that oil causes during
its life from well to gas tank and burnt at a low efficiency.
Posted by Vaughn Simon on July 1, 2008, 4:06 pm
Every human activity results in some pollution, but you would have to look
hard to find a category of products that was more reliably recycled than
Posted by EXT on July 1, 2008, 6:50 pm
Except "automotive batteries" are not used in electric vehicles.
Posted by Vaughn Simon on July 1, 2008, 7:40 pm
OK, we are playing word games huh? You may substitute "lead acid batteries"
if you insist, but I was trying to be more general. I recycle lead acid deep
cycle UPS batteries all the time. AFAIK, the recycling process is identical to
"AUTOMOTIVE BATTERIES", in fact, they go on the same pallet with used
"AUTOMOTIVE BATTERIES" and the same truck carts them away. Main difference
would be that the deep cycle batteries contain more lead, and so would be more
valuable than "AUTOMOTIVE BATTERIES". Have you got that straight EXT?
Other types of batteries are also routinely recycled. On my job, I have
recycled thousands of NICAD and NIMH batteries. The outfit that accepts them is
happy to take all that they can get. They even supply the boxes and pay the
shipping. I have little doubt that they would also be happy to accept
AUTOMOTIVE NIMH BATTERIES for recycling since the basic materials are the same.