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Posted by sno on November 2, 2010, 6:59 pm
 
On 11/2/2010 10:50 AM, andyv wrote:

I am cross posting this to alt.solar.thermal where all the big guns on
questions like this live <grin>....maybe will get you more responses..

have fun....sno

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Correct Scientific Terminology:
Hypothesis - a guess as to why or how something occurs
Theory - a hypothesis that has been checked by enough experiments
  to be generally assumed to be true.
Law - a hypothesis that has been checked by enough experiments
  in enough different ways that it is assumed to be truer then a theory.
Note: nothing is proven in science, things are assumed to be true.


Posted by dow on November 4, 2010, 3:09 pm
 

As I've told you before, a scientific "Law" is NOT a very thoroughly
established theory. It IS a theory that is essentially a mathematical
statement, such as Newton's Law of Gravitation (F=GMm/r^2), Snell's
Law of Refraction (sin(i)/sin(r)=u1/u2), and so on.

     dow

Posted by sno on November 5, 2010, 12:03 am
 On 11/4/2010 10:09 AM, dow wrote:

Here we go again...<grin>

Just because something can be proven mathematically
Does not necessarily make it reality...

The math is not needed...either for a theory...or a law...
what is needed is experiments....or observations....observations are the
result of natural experiments....usually the math comes after
the experiments have shown a hypothesis is possibly "real"....some
mathematics minded people do not accept this fact....they seem to feel
math is as good as an experiment....math can point someone in a
direction...but can not prove anything....just because you can show
something mathematically does not make it a theory....or a law....

For example...Mendals laws of genetics....do not think...even to this
day has been explained mathematically....

thank you for listening to my thoughts....again....have fun...sno

--
Correct Scientific Terminology:
Hypothesis - a guess as to why or how something occurs
Theory - a hypothesis that has been checked by enough experiments
  to be generally assumed to be true.
Law - a hypothesis that has been checked by enough experiments
  in enough different ways that it is assumed to be truer then a theory.
Note: nothing is proven in science, things are assumed to be true.


Posted by z on November 5, 2010, 5:02 am
 

Math is the current best method used to describe the relationship between
observations.


Posted by sno on November 5, 2010, 5:25 am
 On 11/5/2010 12:02 AM, z wrote:

I agree with your statement....but the question was, is the simple
definition of a law in science as below....or does it have to be proven
by mathematics.....and proof by mathematics makes it a law....not
experiments....

I realize that my definitions below are the simple form that were the
original when the scientific method was first conceived....and since
then they have been modified....and wiggle words included...<grin>
however if you can get by the modifications the original exists...
some people seem to think the original should be ignored...and more
modifications made to the present definition...both of theory and law...

thank you for your thoughts....have fun...sno

--
Correct Scientific Terminology:
Hypothesis - a guess as to why or how something occurs
Theory - a hypothesis that has been checked by enough experiments
  to be generally assumed to be true.
Law - a hypothesis that has been checked by enough experiments
  in enough different ways that it is assumed to be truer then a theory.
Note: nothing is proven in science, things are assumed to be true.


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