Posted by Ben Turner on June 27, 2007, 7:17 am
There's a story circulating in the news about John Kanzius. Story is
claiming that he has a radio frequency generator that liberates oxygen and
hydrogen from saltwater.
Anyone know the frequency (frequencies?) involved? What about the
transmitter design? Anyone??
Posted by vaughnsimon@att.net on June 27, 2007, 9:08 am
> Anyone know the frequency (frequencies?) involved? What about the
> transmitter design? Anyone??
Does anyone here smell snake oil? Anyone??
Posted by RW Salnick on June 27, 2007, 11:39 am
Ben Turner brought forth on stone tablets:
> There's a story circulating in the news about John Kanzius. Story is
> claiming that he has a radio frequency generator that liberates oxygen and
> hydrogen from saltwater.
>
> Anyone know the frequency (frequencies?) involved? What about the
> transmitter design? Anyone??
>
>
>
No doubt this is true. It has been possible for hundreds of years to
"liberate" hydrogen and oxygen from sea water. Why is this news?
bob
s/v Eolian
Seattle
Posted by Eeyore on June 27, 2007, 11:56 am
RW Salnick wrote:
> It has been possible for hundreds of years to
> "liberate" hydrogen and oxygen from sea water.
Do tell more.
Graham
Posted by RW Salnick on June 27, 2007, 12:13 pm
Eeyore brought forth on stone tablets:
>
> RW Salnick wrote:
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>>It has been possible for hundreds of years to
>>"liberate" hydrogen and oxygen from sea water.
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>
Water (including the water in sea water) is dihydrogen monoxide. If you
supply enough energy, the chemical bond between the hydrogen and the
oxygen can be broken, producing ("liberating") hydrogen and oxygen. In
theory, the amount of energy required is exactly equal to that of the
chemical bond strength. In practice, more than this is required.
Probably the most efficient method found over the centuries is the first
one found: electrolysis. But others are possible, including perhaps
even energy supplied by an RF field.
Nevertheless, regardless of the method used, the best case scenario is
that the amount of energy supplied has to be equivalent to the energy in
the chemical bonds that are to be broken. Methods differ only in the
amount of ADDITIONAL energy required due to inefficiencies and losses.
Now, guess how much energy is obtained when the hydrogen is burned?
When hydrogen and oxygen combine, the energy released is exactly the
same (by definition!) as the energy required to break the bonds in the
first place.
bob
s/v Eolian
Seattle
> transmitter design? Anyone??