Posted by Thomson Tim on May 15, 2005, 12:18 pm
I am probably dreaming here but here goes.
Last fall I installed a air tight wood stove and I dropped my natural
gas consumption down by 90%. I used the stove to heat the 1000 square
foot main floor of a split bungalow. The basement was unusable because
of the cold..........anyways here is what I am doing and almost done. I
have installed ceramic tiles on the entire living section of concrete in
the basement with electric in floor heating. The total will be about 8
or 9 thousand watts of draw @ 110v.
I have about 10,000.00 more CDN to blow and was just thinking what could
I get for solar panels to put on my roof? Could I dump the energy
directly into the floor heating system? How many watts of solar can I
put on the sunny side of my roof 40x13 feet (520 square feet) and how
much money? I am not worried about the pay back I just want bragging
rights lol. My main goal is to be able to keep the pipes from freezing
in the basement. I don't want to get into inverters or batts yet and
wont discuss it. Just a few simple switches to go from line power to
solar power in the floor.
I know that electric is the most expensive back up heat but I just hate
the gas co and plan on ripping out the gas meteor. I also plan on
converting my hot water to electric and cooking stove to propane. To
keep my house legal I also have to have a heat source that will maintain
the house at 21 c all year so I will convert the furnace as well.
Wood is free here where I live other than your time and a little gas for
the chainsaw and truck. I also bought one of those electric wood
splitters. Awesome machine......I don't have to be so picky when getting
wood....It says it will split a maximum of 20" by 10" round. Ha all the
garbage that people can't split with an ax I take. I easily split 20" by
24" round
Posted by Thomson Tim on May 15, 2005, 1:34 pm
One more question I dont want to max out my 100 amp feed.
Whats the formula for watts volts amps. How many amps does 8000 watts need
at 110/120 vac
Thomson Tim wrote:
> I am probably dreaming here but here goes.
> Last fall I installed a air tight wood stove and I dropped my natural
> gas consumption down by 90%. I used the stove to heat the 1000 square
> foot main floor of a split bungalow. The basement was unusable because
> of the cold..........anyways here is what I am doing and almost done. I
> have installed ceramic tiles on the entire living section of concrete in
> the basement with electric in floor heating. The total will be about 8
> or 9 thousand watts of draw @ 110v.
> I have about 10,000.00 more CDN to blow and was just thinking what could
> I get for solar panels to put on my roof? Could I dump the energy
> directly into the floor heating system? How many watts of solar can I
> put on the sunny side of my roof 40x13 feet (520 square feet) and how
> much money? I am not worried about the pay back I just want bragging
> rights lol. My main goal is to be able to keep the pipes from freezing
> in the basement. I don't want to get into inverters or batts yet and
> wont discuss it. Just a few simple switches to go from line power to
> solar power in the floor.
> I know that electric is the most expensive back up heat but I just hate
> the gas co and plan on ripping out the gas meteor. I also plan on
> converting my hot water to electric and cooking stove to propane. To
> keep my house legal I also have to have a heat source that will maintain
> the house at 21 c all year so I will convert the furnace as well.
> Wood is free here where I live other than your time and a little gas for
> the chainsaw and truck. I also bought one of those electric wood
> splitters. Awesome machine......I don't have to be so picky when getting
> wood....It says it will split a maximum of 20" by 10" round. Ha all the
> garbage that people can't split with an ax I take. I easily split 20" by
> 24" round
Posted by John P Bengi on May 15, 2005, 1:59 pm
You better save your $10K to pay the electric bill. This would be a waste of
time and energy and the gas company will have the last laugh on your dime.
Solar to PV to electric to resistance heating is a very, very inefficient
technique and a waste of everything. Find a way to store or move the solar
heat directly where you want it. Much more efficient. Save the PV for
electric appliances and lights etc. Use the solar to assist your gas hot
water heater in a preheat mode. Put in a water heat exchanger for your
showers etc.
> One more question I dont want to max out my 100 amp feed.
> Whats the formula for watts volts amps. How many amps does 8000 watts need
> at 110/120 vac
> Thomson Tim wrote:
> > I am probably dreaming here but here goes.
> > Last fall I installed a air tight wood stove and I dropped my natural
> > gas consumption down by 90%. I used the stove to heat the 1000 square
> > foot main floor of a split bungalow. The basement was unusable because
> > of the cold..........anyways here is what I am doing and almost done. I
> > have installed ceramic tiles on the entire living section of concrete in
> > the basement with electric in floor heating. The total will be about 8
> > or 9 thousand watts of draw @ 110v.
> >
> > I have about 10,000.00 more CDN to blow and was just thinking what could
> > I get for solar panels to put on my roof? Could I dump the energy
> > directly into the floor heating system? How many watts of solar can I
> > put on the sunny side of my roof 40x13 feet (520 square feet) and how
> > much money? I am not worried about the pay back I just want bragging
> > rights lol. My main goal is to be able to keep the pipes from freezing
> > in the basement. I don't want to get into inverters or batts yet and
> > wont discuss it. Just a few simple switches to go from line power to
> > solar power in the floor.
> >
> > I know that electric is the most expensive back up heat but I just hate
> > the gas co and plan on ripping out the gas meteor. I also plan on
> > converting my hot water to electric and cooking stove to propane. To
> > keep my house legal I also have to have a heat source that will maintain
> > the house at 21 c all year so I will convert the furnace as well.
> > Wood is free here where I live other than your time and a little gas for
> > the chainsaw and truck. I also bought one of those electric wood
> > splitters. Awesome machine......I don't have to be so picky when getting
> > wood....It says it will split a maximum of 20" by 10" round. Ha all the
> > garbage that people can't split with an ax I take. I easily split 20" by
> > 24" round
Posted by Thomson Tim on May 15, 2005, 8:37 pm
No clue next!
How in the hell can a direct usage of solar be less efficient than storing it?
I will store some at a later date thanks any ways.
John P Bengi wrote:
> You better save your $10K to pay the electric bill. This would be a waste of
> time and energy and the gas company will have the last laugh on your dime.
> Solar to PV to electric to resistance heating is a very, very inefficient
> technique and a waste of everything. Find a way to store or move the solar
> heat directly where you want it. Much more efficient. Save the PV for
> electric appliances and lights etc. Use the solar to assist your gas hot
> water heater in a preheat mode. Put in a water heat exchanger for your
> showers etc.
> > One more question I dont want to max out my 100 amp feed.
> > Whats the formula for watts volts amps. How many amps does 8000 watts need
> > at 110/120 vac
> > Thomson Tim wrote:
> >
> > > I am probably dreaming here but here goes.
> > > Last fall I installed a air tight wood stove and I dropped my natural
> > > gas consumption down by 90%. I used the stove to heat the 1000 square
> > > foot main floor of a split bungalow. The basement was unusable because
> > > of the cold..........anyways here is what I am doing and almost done. I
> > > have installed ceramic tiles on the entire living section of concrete in
> > > the basement with electric in floor heating. The total will be about 8
> > > or 9 thousand watts of draw @ 110v.
> > >
> > > I have about 10,000.00 more CDN to blow and was just thinking what could
> > > I get for solar panels to put on my roof? Could I dump the energy
> > > directly into the floor heating system? How many watts of solar can I
> > > put on the sunny side of my roof 40x13 feet (520 square feet) and how
> > > much money? I am not worried about the pay back I just want bragging
> > > rights lol. My main goal is to be able to keep the pipes from freezing
> > > in the basement. I don't want to get into inverters or batts yet and
> > > wont discuss it. Just a few simple switches to go from line power to
> > > solar power in the floor.
> > >
> > > I know that electric is the most expensive back up heat but I just hate
> > > the gas co and plan on ripping out the gas meteor. I also plan on
> > > converting my hot water to electric and cooking stove to propane. To
> > > keep my house legal I also have to have a heat source that will maintain
> > > the house at 21 c all year so I will convert the furnace as well.
> > > Wood is free here where I live other than your time and a little gas for
> > > the chainsaw and truck. I also bought one of those electric wood
> > > splitters. Awesome machine......I don't have to be so picky when getting
> > > wood....It says it will split a maximum of 20" by 10" round. Ha all the
> > > garbage that people can't split with an ax I take. I easily split 20" by
> > > 24" round
> >
Posted by John P Bengi on May 15, 2005, 9:28 pm
Turning solar into electricity is at best about 13% efficient. Then the
storage and recovery of the electricity is about 80% at best.
Read the other reply to your post by Anthony.
> No clue next!
> How in the hell can a direct usage of solar be less efficient than storing
it?
> I will store some at a later date thanks any ways.
> John P Bengi wrote:
> > You better save your $10K to pay the electric bill. This would be a
waste of
> > time and energy and the gas company will have the last laugh on your
dime.
> >
> > Solar to PV to electric to resistance heating is a very, very
inefficient
> > technique and a waste of everything. Find a way to store or move the
solar
> > heat directly where you want it. Much more efficient. Save the PV for
> > electric appliances and lights etc. Use the solar to assist your gas hot
> > water heater in a preheat mode. Put in a water heat exchanger for your
> > showers etc.
> >
> > > One more question I dont want to max out my 100 amp feed.
> > > Whats the formula for watts volts amps. How many amps does 8000 watts
need
> > > at 110/120 vac
> > > Thomson Tim wrote:
> > >
> > > > I am probably dreaming here but here goes.
> > > > Last fall I installed a air tight wood stove and I dropped my
natural
> > > > gas consumption down by 90%. I used the stove to heat the 1000
square
> > > > foot main floor of a split bungalow. The basement was unusable
because
> > > > of the cold..........anyways here is what I am doing and almost
done. I
> > > > have installed ceramic tiles on the entire living section of
concrete in
> > > > the basement with electric in floor heating. The total will be about
8
> > > > or 9 thousand watts of draw @ 110v.
> > > >
> > > > I have about 10,000.00 more CDN to blow and was just thinking what
could
> > > > I get for solar panels to put on my roof? Could I dump the energy
> > > > directly into the floor heating system? How many watts of solar can
I
> > > > put on the sunny side of my roof 40x13 feet (520 square feet) and
how
> > > > much money? I am not worried about the pay back I just want bragging
> > > > rights lol. My main goal is to be able to keep the pipes from
freezing
> > > > in the basement. I don't want to get into inverters or batts yet and
> > > > wont discuss it. Just a few simple switches to go from line power to
> > > > solar power in the floor.
> > > >
> > > > I know that electric is the most expensive back up heat but I just
hate
> > > > the gas co and plan on ripping out the gas meteor. I also plan on
> > > > converting my hot water to electric and cooking stove to propane. To
> > > > keep my house legal I also have to have a heat source that will
maintain
> > > > the house at 21 c all year so I will convert the furnace as well.
> > > > Wood is free here where I live other than your time and a little gas
for
> > > > the chainsaw and truck. I also bought one of those electric wood
> > > > splitters. Awesome machine......I don't have to be so picky when
getting
> > > > wood....It says it will split a maximum of 20" by 10" round. Ha all
the
> > > > garbage that people can't split with an ax I take. I easily split
20" by
> > > > 24" round
> > >
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> Last fall I installed a air tight wood stove and I dropped my natural
> gas consumption down by 90%. I used the stove to heat the 1000 square
> foot main floor of a split bungalow. The basement was unusable because
> of the cold..........anyways here is what I am doing and almost done. I
> have installed ceramic tiles on the entire living section of concrete in
> the basement with electric in floor heating. The total will be about 8
> or 9 thousand watts of draw @ 110v.
> I have about 10,000.00 more CDN to blow and was just thinking what could
> I get for solar panels to put on my roof? Could I dump the energy
> directly into the floor heating system? How many watts of solar can I
> put on the sunny side of my roof 40x13 feet (520 square feet) and how
> much money? I am not worried about the pay back I just want bragging
> rights lol. My main goal is to be able to keep the pipes from freezing
> in the basement. I don't want to get into inverters or batts yet and
> wont discuss it. Just a few simple switches to go from line power to
> solar power in the floor.
> I know that electric is the most expensive back up heat but I just hate
> the gas co and plan on ripping out the gas meteor. I also plan on
> converting my hot water to electric and cooking stove to propane. To
> keep my house legal I also have to have a heat source that will maintain
> the house at 21 c all year so I will convert the furnace as well.
> Wood is free here where I live other than your time and a little gas for
> the chainsaw and truck. I also bought one of those electric wood
> splitters. Awesome machine......I don't have to be so picky when getting
> wood....It says it will split a maximum of 20" by 10" round. Ha all the
> garbage that people can't split with an ax I take. I easily split 20" by
> 24" round