Posted by Eeyore on May 18, 2009, 4:46 pm
vaughn wrote:
> > I proved my point,in the EU and North America families have two cars.
> No you didn't "prove" anything of the sort, but you did establish
> something about norms.
> > Explain how that "doesn't really help" in the context of having both an
> > ice and a EV.
> Because the American family is probably not a 1-job/1-wage family, and not
> even necessarily a nuclear family. Families can be complex things that defy
> concepts like "norms". The strategy of owning an EV car for commuting &
> local use and a separate ICE car for occasional use & trips may actually fit
> amazingly few real-life situations. One size does not fit all!
But he doesn't want to hear that.
The public will simply not buy 'inflexible' cars unless they're wealthy enough
to have one dedicated as a 'shopping trolley'.
Graham
Posted by user on May 18, 2009, 6:05 pm
Eeyore wrote:
>
> vaughn wrote:
>
>>> I proved my point,in the EU and North America families have two cars.
>> No you didn't "prove" anything of the sort, but you did establish
>> something about norms.
>>
>>> Explain how that "doesn't really help" in the context of having both an
>>> ice and a EV.
>> Because the American family is probably not a 1-job/1-wage family, and not
>> even necessarily a nuclear family. Families can be complex things that defy
>> concepts like "norms". The strategy of owning an EV car for commuting &
>> local use and a separate ICE car for occasional use & trips may actually fit
>> amazingly few real-life situations. One size does not fit all!
>
> But he doesn't want to hear that.
>
> The public will simply not buy 'inflexible' cars unless they're wealthy enough
> to have one dedicated as a 'shopping trolley'.
>
> Graham
>
They will when the price drops and the range improves. Right now in my
area electric scooter ($00.00- $500.00) sales have taken off.
Posted by clare on May 18, 2009, 11:42 pm
On Mon, 18 May 2009 14:05:44 -0400, user@domain.invalid wrote:
>Eeyore wrote:
>>
>> vaughn wrote:
>>
>>>> I proved my point,in the EU and North America families have two cars.
>>> No you didn't "prove" anything of the sort, but you did establish
>>> something about norms.
>>>
>>>> Explain how that "doesn't really help" in the context of having both an
>>>> ice and a EV.
>>> Because the American family is probably not a 1-job/1-wage family, and not
>>> even necessarily a nuclear family. Families can be complex things that defy
>>> concepts like "norms". The strategy of owning an EV car for commuting &
>>> local use and a separate ICE car for occasional use & trips may actually fit
>>> amazingly few real-life situations. One size does not fit all!
>>
>> But he doesn't want to hear that.
>>
>> The public will simply not buy 'inflexible' cars unless they're wealthy enough
>> to have one dedicated as a 'shopping trolley'.
>>
>> Graham
>>
>They will when the price drops and the range improves. Right now in my
>area electric scooter ($00.00- $500.00) sales have taken off.
And watch that come to a SCREACHING stop when enforcement catches up
with legislation. Virtually NONE of the "electric scooters" sold in
Ontario currently complies with the letter of the law. They all
actually fall into the Moped (or limited speed motorcycle) class, not
the electric assisted bycycle class.
I hope when the trial period is over the "electric assist bicycle"
class doesn't end up being rolled into the moped class with
registration and insurance as well as MC driver's licence
requirements because someone cheated.
I drive an "electric assist bicycle" that is actually possible to ride
across town on pedal power. I have just built a trailer that carries
extra-range batteries for when I neeed to go more than 22Km round
trip.
Posted by Eeyore on May 19, 2009, 1:56 am
user@domain.invalid wrote:
> Eeyore wrote:
> > vaughn wrote:
> >>
> >>> I proved my point,in the EU and North America families have two cars.
> >> No you didn't "prove" anything of the sort, but you did establish
> >> something about norms.
> >>
> >>> Explain how that "doesn't really help" in the context of having both an
> >>> ice and a EV.
> >> Because the American family is probably not a 1-job/1-wage family, and not
> >> even necessarily a nuclear family. Families can be complex things that defy
> >> concepts like "norms". The strategy of owning an EV car for commuting &
> >> local use and a separate ICE car for occasional use & trips may actually fit
> >> amazingly few real-life situations. One size does not fit all!
> >
> > But he doesn't want to hear that.
> >
> > The public will simply not buy 'inflexible' cars unless they're wealthy
enough
> > to have one dedicated as a 'shopping trolley'.
> They will when the price drops and the range improves. Right now in my
> area electric scooter ($00.00- $500.00) sales have taken off.
A scooter isn't a car.
Graham
Posted by user on May 19, 2009, 12:01 pm
Eeyore wrote:
>
> user@domain.invalid wrote:
>
>> Eeyore wrote:
>>> vaughn wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I proved my point,in the EU and North America families have two cars.
>>>> No you didn't "prove" anything of the sort, but you did establish
>>>> something about norms.
>>>>
>>>>> Explain how that "doesn't really help" in the context of having both an
>>>>> ice and a EV.
>>>> Because the American family is probably not a 1-job/1-wage family, and not
>>>> even necessarily a nuclear family. Families can be complex things that defy
>>>> concepts like "norms". The strategy of owning an EV car for commuting &
>>>> local use and a separate ICE car for occasional use & trips may actually fit
>>>> amazingly few real-life situations. One size does not fit all!
>>> But he doesn't want to hear that.
>>>
>>> The public will simply not buy 'inflexible' cars unless they're wealthy
enough
>>> to have one dedicated as a 'shopping trolley'.
>> They will when the price drops and the range improves. Right now in my
>> area electric scooter ($00.00- $500.00) sales have taken off.
>
> A scooter isn't a car.
>
> Graham
>
>
No but the technology is the same, and bringing battery costs down due
to mass production.
> No you didn't "prove" anything of the sort, but you did establish
> something about norms.
> > Explain how that "doesn't really help" in the context of having both an
> > ice and a EV.
> Because the American family is probably not a 1-job/1-wage family, and not
> even necessarily a nuclear family. Families can be complex things that defy
> concepts like "norms". The strategy of owning an EV car for commuting &
> local use and a separate ICE car for occasional use & trips may actually fit
> amazingly few real-life situations. One size does not fit all!