Posted by Eeyore on May 21, 2009, 10:33 pm
user@domain.invalid wrote:
> No, you pull crap out of thin air. The latest scooters use regenerative
> braking, onboard charging, cpu controllers, multi speeds and lithium-ion
> batteries.
Cite !
It's still not a car and a relatively dangerous vehicle with higher death rates
than cars.
Graham
Posted by user on May 21, 2009, 11:21 pm
Eeyore wrote:
>
> user@domain.invalid wrote:
>
>> No, you pull crap out of thin air. The latest scooters use regenerative
>> braking, onboard charging, cpu controllers, multi speeds and lithium-ion
>> batteries.
>
> Cite !
Lithium batteries
http://www.derand.com/PocketRome.html
http://www.theirearth.com/index.php/news/e-max-electric-scooters-lithium-power
http://www.metaefficient.com/electric-bikes/zapino-a-100-electric-scooter-by-zap.html
Regenerative braking
http://www.pedalandpower.com/elecbikes.htm
Multispeed, cpu's, regenerative braking,
http://www.greenwit.com/Scooters/index.html
Want more proof ?
>
> It's still not a car and a relatively dangerous vehicle with higher death
rates than cars.
That wasn't the point of your original claim and you are well aware of
that fact.
>
> Graham
>
>
Posted by clare on May 21, 2009, 2:59 am
On Wed, 20 May 2009 21:19:41 +0100, Eeyore
>user@domain.invalid wrote:
>> Eeyore wrote:
>> > user@domain.invalid wrote:
>> >> Eeyore wrote:
>> >>> user@domain.invalid wrote:
>> >>>> Eeyore wrote:
>> >>>>> user@domain.invalid wrote:
>> >>>>>> Eeyore wrote:
>> >>>>>>> The public will simply not buy 'inflexible' cars unless they're
wealthy enough
>> >>>>>>> to have one dedicated as a 'shopping trolley'.
>> >>>>>> They will when the price drops and the range improves. Right now in my
>> >>>>>> area electric scooter ($00.00- $500.00) sales have taken off.
>> >>>>> A scooter isn't a car.
>> >>>> No but the technology is the same,
>> >>> No is isn't.
>> >> Yes it is, chargers, controllers, motors are all compact versions of
>> >> those used in cars. The technology in some of these scooters is impressive.
>> >
>> > A scooter is NOT a car. If you want an early death, buy one.
>>
>> You claimed the technology was not the same, not the type of vehicle.
>And I'm correct.
>Graham
The scooter controllers have no current limiting or accelleration
control (soft-start etc) and no regen, They have a lot more in common
with a cheap corsless drill in most cases.
Posted by vaughn on May 19, 2009, 7:29 pm
> The cost of a replacement battery for the Prius has dropped substantially
> from $,500 when it first came out to:
> Gen I Prius (00 – 03 MY) $,299.
> Gen II (04 – 08 MY) $,588.
As soon as the demand for non-warranty replacement of these batteries
increases enough to generate a healthy, competative aftermarket, my opinion
is that the price will drop down into the hundreds. For many years, I was
responsible for purchasing thousands of battery packs for a local
government. When a battery is available only from the OEM, the price was
typically around $50.00. When that same battery became available from a
variety of sources, prices typically dropped down to about $0.00!
Here is another argument in favor of a much lower price: $,500 is probably
near the price for a new engine these days, which is more money than most
want to invest into a broken used car. IE; I imagine that most 10-year-old
cars that need new engines never actually get them. So that means that at a
unit price of $,500, not much market will exist for batteries for an old
hybrid. So what is the most that someone might pay to put an old hybrid
back on the road, (considering that there is no guarantee that some other
expensive part will not fail)?
Vaughn
Posted by Eeyore on May 20, 2009, 8:22 pm
vaughn wrote:
> > The cost of a replacement battery for the Prius has dropped substantially
> > from $,500 when it first came out to:
> >
> > Gen I Prius (00 – 03 MY) $,299.
> > Gen II (04 – 08 MY) $,588.
> As soon as the demand for non-warranty replacement of these batteries
> increases enough to generate a healthy, competative aftermarket, my opinion
> is that the price will drop down into the hundreds.
YOU'RE OUT OF YOU MIND !
You can pay hundreds for a heavy duty winter rated starter battery for an ICE.
Never mind one that gets it somewhere with an electric motor
You're living in fantasy land. Get some scientific knowledge.
Graham
> braking, onboard charging, cpu controllers, multi speeds and lithium-ion
> batteries.
Cite !