Posted by wmbjkREMOVE on May 21, 2009, 3:50 pm
On Thu, 21 May 2009 15:01:41 GMT, nobody@xmission.com (Scott) wrote:
>On Wed, 20 May 2009 15:13:33 -0700, in alt.energy.homepower,
>wmbjkREMOVE@citlink.net wrote:
>>If you like one you have to like the other! The only things Pontiac
>>needs to do to market the Aztek to Saab snobs who think that ugly is
>>beautiful, is double the price and rename the cup holders "cappuccino
>>anchor technology".
>Pontiac is an amazing automaker, remarkable for just a few outstanding
>successes in a long line of miserable and mediocre products. The
>Bonneville, the Grand Prix and the Firebird -- good stuff, considering what
>else they did. I have a Grand Prix myself, with the supercharged 3.8L V6.
>I think it handles reasonably well for its weight, I've never been scared of
>a corner. But going straight there's no question that it is an American
>car; a little slow to start, but when the blower kicks in around 3,000 RPM
>it mashes you into the seat like a jetliner taking off. It even gets 30+
>MPG if you can keep your foot out of the blower, but what fun is that?
If you like that 3.8, then test drive your granny's Camry with the 3.5
normally aspirated V6. A very well regarded engine with 269 hp. On the
Camry it's rated 21 city, 31 mpg. I have the same thing in a Rav4 with
AWD. It's great for getting by the slow pokes in limited-opportunity
passing, for smoking ricky racers at stoplights, or for embarrassing
snobby Saab owners. :-)
Wayne
Posted by wmbjkREMOVE on May 20, 2009, 9:57 pm
On Wed, 20 May 2009 11:45:05 -0600, Steve Ackman
>08:16:52 -0700, wmbjkREMOVE@citlink.net, wmbjkREMOVE@citlink.net wrote:
>> On Tue, 19 May 2009 15:59:47 -0400, user@domain.invalid wrote:
>>
>>>Eeyore wrote:
>>>>
>>>> wmbjkREMOVE@citlink.net wrote:
>>>>> I've long suspected that GM contracted the Saab Design Studio to style
>>>>> the Aztec, one of the few current vehicles that can rival your old
>>>>> Saab for fugliness and WTF-were-they-thinking.
>>>>
>>>> There is nosuch thing as a Saab 'Aztec'.
>>
>> Here's a review with pictures of it
>> http://popealien.com/reviewsdetail.php?review 01.
> That's only a partial URL. It should be
>http://popealien.com/reviewsdetail.php?review 01%20Pontiac%20Aztek
Thanks for fixing it. It's a fun read.
Wayne
Posted by Eeyore on May 20, 2009, 8:43 pm
wmbjkREMOVE@citlink.net wrote:
> user@domain.invalid wrote:
> >Eeyore wrote:
> >> wmbjkREMOVE@citlink.net wrote:
> >>> I've long suspected that GM contracted the Saab Design Studio to style
> >>> the Aztec, one of the few current vehicles that can rival your old
> >>> Saab for fugliness and WTF-were-they-thinking.
> >>
> >> There is nosuch thing as a Saab 'Aztec'.
> Here's a review with pictures of it
> http://popealien.com/reviewsdetail.php?review 01. And here's the
> problem with you claiming that it doesn't exist
> http://www.unwords.com/unword/sarchasm.html .
Your links don't work.
Are you referring to the re-badged Subaru by any chance ? Never sold outside the
USA and another one of GM's limp ideas as to what to do with the Saab brand
instead of revitalising it.
It had no Saab heritage at all. It was just a brand name marketing exercise.
The same is true of the Saab 9-7 and 9-2.
Graham
Posted by Eeyore on May 20, 2009, 8:37 pm
user@domain.invalid wrote:
> Eeyore wrote:
> > wmbjkREMOVE@citlink.net wrote:
> >>
> >>> The best Saabs were designed as Saabs by Swedes too.
> >> I've long suspected that GM contracted the Saab Design Studio to style
> >> the Aztec, one of the few current vehicles that can rival your old
> >> Saab for fugliness and WTF-were-they-thinking.
> >
> > There is nosuch thing as a Saab 'Aztec'.
> >
> > I happen to think the Saab 9000 CS was one of best looking cars ever made.
> >
> > http://www.saab9000.com/
> >
> > Aerodynamic, safe, quick and a 'driver's car'.
> Love is blind I guess ;~) To each their own, but "one of the best
> looking cars ever made"........not even in the running.
Saabs tend to appeal to those with an eye for lines and technology, engineers,
architects, professionals generally.
One of those Saabs put the biggest grin on my face ever. The responsiveness ( no
turbo lag ), handling and pure comfort were lovely. Plus it's a body style I
find unsurpassable. The low bonnet ( hood ) line gives great visibility and the
hatch with the large rear window does the same to the rear, making parking a
large car easy. It's luggage or other capacity is phenomenal too. And it's so
quiet inside.
You've missed something.
And they corner like shit sticking to a blanket.
Graham
Posted by user on May 21, 2009, 1:13 am
Eeyore wrote:
>
> user@domain.invalid wrote:
>
>> Eeyore wrote:
>>> wmbjkREMOVE@citlink.net wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The best Saabs were designed as Saabs by Swedes too.
>>>> I've long suspected that GM contracted the Saab Design Studio to style
>>>> the Aztec, one of the few current vehicles that can rival your old
>>>> Saab for fugliness and WTF-were-they-thinking.
>>> There is nosuch thing as a Saab 'Aztec'.
>>>
>>> I happen to think the Saab 9000 CS was one of best looking cars ever made.
>>>
>>> http://www.saab9000.com/
>>>
>>> Aerodynamic, safe, quick and a 'driver's car'.
>> Love is blind I guess ;~) To each their own, but "one of the best
>> looking cars ever made"........not even in the running.
>
> Saabs tend to appeal to those with an eye for lines and technology, engineers,
> architects, professionals generally.
>
> One of those Saabs put the biggest grin on my face ever. The responsiveness (
no
> turbo lag ), handling and pure comfort were lovely. Plus it's a body style I
> find unsurpassable. The low bonnet ( hood ) line gives great visibility and the
> hatch with the large rear window does the same to the rear, making parking a
> large car easy. It's luggage or other capacity is phenomenal too. And it's so
> quiet inside.
>
> You've missed something.
>
> And they corner like shit sticking to a blanket.
>
> Graham
>
>
Missed nothing, drove BMW's for years, come to mention it, the BMW 2002
was offered with a turbo in 1973.......So you are wrong again.....
>wmbjkREMOVE@citlink.net wrote:
>>If you like one you have to like the other! The only things Pontiac
>>needs to do to market the Aztek to Saab snobs who think that ugly is
>>beautiful, is double the price and rename the cup holders "cappuccino
>>anchor technology".
>Pontiac is an amazing automaker, remarkable for just a few outstanding
>successes in a long line of miserable and mediocre products. The
>Bonneville, the Grand Prix and the Firebird -- good stuff, considering what
>else they did. I have a Grand Prix myself, with the supercharged 3.8L V6.
>I think it handles reasonably well for its weight, I've never been scared of
>a corner. But going straight there's no question that it is an American
>car; a little slow to start, but when the blower kicks in around 3,000 RPM
>it mashes you into the seat like a jetliner taking off. It even gets 30+
>MPG if you can keep your foot out of the blower, but what fun is that?