Posted by clare on May 21, 2009, 3:06 am
On Wed, 20 May 2009 21:52:39 +0100, Eeyore
>Sliding around corners is sign of BAD handling.
Not in sand it's not. Being able to stear a vehicle with the throttle
in sand with a vehicle that is inherently nuetral, but can be made to
overstear or understear at the driver's command is a car that HANDLES.
You want to try performance rallying or autocross
And try it in Snow.
>Your friend had no driving skills. Admittedly in '78, it was Saab's first
>turbo so they were learning and they pressed on with the technology to all
>but eliminate any turbo lag. They also have the finest ECU in the world.
>My Saab 9000s have without question been the finest cars I've ever driven.
>Shame GM bought the company and standards fell. I have never ONCE felt a
>9000 'hesitate' on a road surface.
>Graham
Posted by Jim Wilkins on May 21, 2009, 10:14 am
On May 20, 11:06pm, cl...@snyder.on.ca wrote:
> On Wed, 20 May 2009 21:52:39 +0100, Eeyore
> >Sliding around corners is sign of BAD handling.
> Not in sand it's not. Being able to stear a vehicle with the throttle
> in sand with a vehicle that is inherently nuetral, but can be made to
> overstear or understear at the driver's command is a car that HANDLES.
> You want to try performance rallying or autocross
> And try it in Snow.
Well stated. We went looking for places to play, but leftover winter
sand on the roads is common here in spring and makes riding a
motorcycle on back roads treacherous.
The sandpits we practiced in are now all shopping malls. I still go
there in a 4 wheel drive, but now it's a Honda instead of a beat-up
Land Rover.
Saabs were popular in rural northern New England for their winter
performance only until the Honda Civic and VW Rabbit came out. To me
Saabs seem odd just for the sake of being different, like Simcas.
jsw
Posted by Eeyore on May 19, 2009, 2:00 pm
wmbjkREMOVE@citlink.net wrote:
> >I drive a REAL car called a Saab.
> LOL
> > Turbocharging makes it fun to drive and
> >economical at the same time. Something Americans can't conceive.
> Your posts probably go a long way to teaching others with your limited
> reasoning ability that all Brits are chair-bound nitwits.
You're the nitwit round here.
> >It also goes round corners rather well and has a great ride.
> That's exactly what most teenagers say about their first car, no
> matter what it is. The similarity isn't surprising considering your
> life history of owning one (1) car!
Who said anything about ONE car ? I've had 2 Saab turbos alone. Saab
started turboing back in 1978 btw so they have plenty of experience and
the most advanced ECU there is.
In the current 9-5 you can get 265 bhp and and 350 Nm ( 260 lb ft ) of
torque from a mere 2.3 litres. Tuners take them to over 300 bhp.
Graham
Posted by clare on May 21, 2009, 2:49 am
On Tue, 19 May 2009 15:00:35 +0100, Eeyore
>wmbjkREMOVE@citlink.net wrote:
>>
>> >I drive a REAL car called a Saab.
>>
>> LOL
>>
>> > Turbocharging makes it fun to drive and
>> >economical at the same time. Something Americans can't conceive.
>>
>> Your posts probably go a long way to teaching others with your limited
>> reasoning ability that all Brits are chair-bound nitwits.
>You're the nitwit round here.
>> >It also goes round corners rather well and has a great ride.
>>
>> That's exactly what most teenagers say about their first car, no
>> matter what it is. The similarity isn't surprising considering your
>> life history of owning one (1) car!
>Who said anything about ONE car ? I've had 2 Saab turbos alone. Saab
>started turboing back in 1978 btw so they have plenty of experience and
>the most advanced ECU there is.
>In the current 9-5 you can get 265 bhp and and 350 Nm ( 260 lb ft ) of
>torque from a mere 2.3 litres. Tuners take them to over 300 bhp.
>Graham
Their Ion sensing detonation control was definitely a big step in
getting high power out of Turbo engines. They did do a few things
right - for sure.
However, they didn't stand up much better than "average" heare in
canada and the USA. They were way too expensive for what you got too -
particularly after the Japs started bringing in 4wd vehicles that
handled the snow better than the Saabs. (and the American
manufacturers also made AWD available in a lot of vehicles)
The snow handling abilities of the SAAB made them popular in some
areas like New England.
Posted by clare on May 18, 2009, 11:44 pm
On Mon, 18 May 2009 20:53:27 +0100, Eeyore
>user@domain.invalid wrote:
>> My Apology, I though I was responding to the chronic malcontented friend
>> of Winnie the Pooh......;~)
>I drive a REAL car called a Saab. Turbocharging makes it fun to drive and
>economical at the same time. Something Americans can't conceive.
>It also goes round corners rather well and has a great ride.
>Graham
We can buy Saabs here too. Turbocharged cars are not foreign to us.
Nor are cars that corner well. Or ride well.
Yes, there ARE too many "land yahts" and SUVs, but particularly in
Canada there are MANY small cars as well.
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