Posted by Eeyore on May 20, 2009, 8:24 pm
user@domain.invalid wrote:
> Eeyore wrote:
> > user@domain.invalid wrote:
> >> Eeyore wrote:
> >>> user@domain.invalid wrote:
> >>>> Eeyore wrote:
> >>>>> user@domain.invalid wrote:
> >>>>>> Eeyore wrote:
> >>>>>>> user@domain.invalid wrote:
> >>>>>>>> Eeyore wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> user@domain.invalid wrote:
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> >>>>>>>>>> Even a fifty mile range is good enough for commuters, the average
daily
> >>>>>>>>>> commute is only about 30 miles in the USA.
> >>>>>>>>> And the day you need to go 60 miles ? This is why the hybrid is so
much more sensible.
> >>>>>>>> You take the other ice car. The average North American family has more
> >>>>>>>> than one vehicle.
> >>>>>>> This is not a worldwide phenomenon.
> >>>>>> No, but for big chunks of the West it is. According to the EU there are
> >>>>>> 463 cars per thousand in Europe
> >>>>> Husband and wife often have a car each. Still doesn't really help.
> >>>> I proved my point,in the EU and North America families have two cars.
> >>> It is far from universal. There wouldn't be enough parking spaces round
here for that.
> >> Go argue with the EU then, it's their stats, the cars are obviously
> >> parked somewhere.
> >
> > It has NOTHING to do with the EU. It has everything to do with HISTORY when
cars didn't even > EXIST
> you MORON.
> You've totally lost it, get a grip
The EU didn't exist when the street was built up. In fact it took about 110
years until the EU turned
up.
Why would they have anything to do with inadequate parking for 2 cars / home
when a car didn't exist at
the time ?
Graham
Posted by clare on May 18, 2009, 11:27 pm
On Sun, 17 May 2009 23:45:07 -0400, user@domain.invalid wrote:
>Eeyore wrote:
>>
>> user@domain.invalid wrote:
>>
>>> Eeyore wrote:
>>>> user@domain.invalid wrote:
>>>>> Eeyore wrote:
>>>>>> user@domain.invalid wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Even a fifty mile range is good enough for commuters, the average daily
>>>>>>> commute is only about 30 miles in the USA.
>>>>>> And the day you need to go 60 miles ? This is why the hybrid is so much
more sensible.
>>>>> You take the other ice car. The average North American family has more
>>>>> than one vehicle.
>>>> This is not a worldwide phenomenon.
>>> No, but for big chunks of the West it is. According to the EU there are
>>> 463 cars per thousand in Europe
>>
>> Husband and wife often have a car each. Still doesn't really help.
>>
>> Graham
>>
>>
>I proved my point,in the EU and North America families have two cars.
>Explain how that "doesn't really help" in the context of having both an
>ice and a EV.
If both are used for the same purpose at the same time in opposite
directions it is no help.
Posted by user on May 19, 2009, 1:32 am
clare@snyder.on.ca wrote:
> On Sun, 17 May 2009 23:45:07 -0400, user@domain.invalid wrote:
>
>> Eeyore wrote:
>>> user@domain.invalid wrote:
>>>
>>>> Eeyore wrote:
>>>>> user@domain.invalid wrote:
>>>>>> Eeyore wrote:
>>>>>>> user@domain.invalid wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Even a fifty mile range is good enough for commuters, the average daily
>>>>>>>> commute is only about 30 miles in the USA.
>>>>>>> And the day you need to go 60 miles ? This is why the hybrid is so much
more sensible.
>>>>>> You take the other ice car. The average North American family has more
>>>>>> than one vehicle.
>>>>> This is not a worldwide phenomenon.
>>>> No, but for big chunks of the West it is. According to the EU there are
>>>> 463 cars per thousand in Europe
>>> Husband and wife often have a car each. Still doesn't really help.
>>>
>>> Graham
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I proved my point,in the EU and North America families have two cars.
>> Explain how that "doesn't really help" in the context of having both an
>> ice and a EV.
> If both are used for the same purpose at the same time in opposite
> directions it is no help.
You have never swapped cars with a family member? It's usually done by
planning a day or two ahead, eg. "I have to go to take some of the
soccer team to the pitch the day after tomorrow dear, I'll need the
truck, you take the car"
Posted by Eeyore on May 16, 2009, 7:08 pm
residualselfimage1999@gmail.com wrote:
> Chrysler need to be introduce their EV before 2014
Chrysler may likely not exist by then.
> if they even hope to gain any market share. By 2012,
> the USA is likely to have its several first generation
> mass production PHEV and EV which will be priced
> competitively.
Pure wishful withinking.
> Hi priced EVs like the Tesla roadster
> will start to lose their market share and EV startups
> will need to build cheaper EV or risk losing their
> markets.
How do you think they can make them cheaper when the batteries cost so much ?
Graham
Posted by residualselfimage1999 on May 17, 2009, 12:48 pm
wrote:
> residualselfimage1...@gmail.com wrote:
> > Chrysler need to be introduce their EV before 2014
> Chrysler may likely not exist by then.
Chrysler is using bankruptcy court to reorganize. It's shedding a
signficant number
of its dealership now. I heard that the surviving parts of Chrysler
will be merged or absorbed by Fiat.
Currently Chrysler is advertisting on TV that it will be sell three EV
in one or two years
using three models - one based on a cherokee jeep, one based on a
caravan minivan,
and one based on a roadster sportscar. You might be correct in
assessing that
Chrysler may not make it - Chrysler faces a significant challenge
ahead.
> > if they even hope to gain any market share. By 2012,
> > the USA is likely to have its several first generation
> > mass production PHEV and EV which will be priced
> > competitively.
> Pure wishful withinking.
I don't think so. Toyota's plug-in Prius will be available
in about 2012. The Aptera 2e - which is an EV - will start
delivering the first of their EVs by the end ot this
year ( they have 4000 orders). For the 2010, Aptera
will be selling only in California; however, after 2010,
Aptera plans to sell and distribute nationwide. BYD
expressed interest in selling their PHEVs and EVs
in the USA around 2012.
> > Hi priced EVs like the Tesla roadster
> > will start to lose their market share and EV startups
> > will need to build cheaper EV or risk losing their
> > markets.
> How do you think they can make them cheaper when the batteries cost so much ?
> Graham
Tesla has to redesign and replace its battery system. It's just too
costly.
IMHO Tesla needs to refocus on lowering its overall cost.
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> >>>>>>>>>> Even a fifty mile range is good enough for commuters, the average