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Posted by Curbie on December 16, 2009, 12:24 am


Interesting video, but how many MW's of electricity are currently
being generated by these devices? As far as this being a "drag type"
device, I see the fins have an airfoil shape, I'd need to see the math
behind that MagLev before pronouncing it a drag type machine. Can you
point me to the math for it or maybe a patent?



Posted by Michael B on December 16, 2009, 6:28 am

Oh, I suppose I could probably find a patent laying around if I were
to research it a bit. Just drawing the suggestion that it's a
variation on
the Savonius type rotor from the Enviro Energies website noted at
Especially the information of its low speed functionality.

The listed website may need to be cut & pasted because of wraparound.

Posted by Curbie on December 16, 2009, 3:59 pm


I read what was linked there, the "How it works" section wasn't very
encouraging for commercial units, and the home-scale units (which is
all I care about) all make good low wind efficiency claims but say
nothing about protecting the units in the occasional gale.

Too many un-answered questions.


Posted by Jim Wilkins on December 16, 2009, 2:53 pm

Other parts of the web site I referenced have a good simple
explanation of lift and drag.

As I understand it drag-type means the airfoil is stalling, flow has
separated from the low-pressure side. The quick visual clue may be an
angle of incidence greater than 15 degrees. For a quick approximation
of 15 degrees extend your arm and make the hitch-hiking fist. That's
also how far the sun travels in an hour.


Posted by Curbie on December 16, 2009, 4:22 pm


If Paul Gipe and Hugh Piggott understand the math, I understand their
explanation; friction losses at high wind speeds are not that much of
a proportional-thief, but in low winds friction losses cam be a
proportional-killer. It is the 20% gain from reduced friction losses
in low winds I was looking for.

Just not enough hard data on this idea yet.


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