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Posted by Elmo P. Shagnasty on April 8, 2011, 5:18 pm

Ummmm...when was the last time you bought a car?  1950?

What "equivalent" piece of junk car are you comparing the Prius to?  One
that needs, inside of 100K miles, transmission service, starter
replacement, alternator replacement, timing belt replacement, serpentine
belt replacement, and battery replacement?

If that's your idea of an "average modern car," it simply means you
don't get out much--or else you're making shit up out of thin air to try
to rationalize the Prius purchase.

Gee, which one could it be...

Posted by David T. Johnson on April 8, 2011, 9:26 pm
Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:

Hmmm.  In 1950, cars lacked serpentine belts, timing belts, disc brakes,
automatic transmissions, had generators instead of alternators, and were
generally no longer running at 100,000 miles.

Ignoring your reference to fecal matter, you don't seem to know very
much about cars.  All of the items mentioned are typically required on a
car prior to reaching 100,000 miles on the odometer.  If you fail to
replace the timing belt on your Honda Accord by 100,000 miles, for
example, you would be exposing yourself to a major risk of serious
engine damage.  If you fail to get your brakes relined before 100,000
miles on most cars with typical service, you would probably be hearing
grinding noises from the front end.  If you don't bother to replace your
serpentine belt, you might find that you are broken down by the side of
the road when the belt fails and that water pump driven by the
serpentine belt quits pumping.  The lead-acid battery on most cars will
not be holding much of a charge by the time the car reaches 100,000
miles, especially if the battery has been cranking the starter a lot in
cold weather.  Of course, the Prius also has a small relatively
inexpensive lead-acid battery (located in the back) but unlike
non-hybrid cars, the lead-acid battery on a Prius is not used to start
the car and consequentally doesn't get the same sort of drain-and-charge
service cycles that a starter battery on a non-hybrid vehicle does.
Transmission service?  You can skip the manufacturer's recommended
service interval for that for a non-hybrid car (typically 60,000 to
90,000 miles), of course, but if you do that you are much more likely to
experience a transmission problem that might cost thousands of dollars
to fix.  And then motor starters on non-hybrid vehicles eventually will
always fail.  Usually, it's the brushes wearing out, the drive bushing,
or the solenoid and when it fails unexpectedly, you are not going
anywhere without an expensive tow unless you have a manual transmission
vehicle (fairly rare nowadays) and are proficient in bump starting (even

Bottom line, Shagnasty, is that the maintenance and repair costs
described above run into thousands of dollars over the course of 100,000
miles and are not even required for a Prius during the same interval.
And that's a fact.

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Posted by Elmo P. Shagnasty on April 9, 2011, 1:59 pm

<snort> You're rationalizing the Prius purchase.

Look, I own a Prius.  But I also recognize that no modern car purchased
today needs any of the crap you claimed, not inside of 100K miles.

Get back into reality.

Posted by Elmo P. Shagnasty on April 9, 2011, 2:05 pm

A modern Accord doesn't have a timing belt anymore.

How much about cars to you know?

And when they DID need timing belts changed, the spec was 105K
miles--not "under 100K miles".

How much about cars do you know?

Honda chose to use an interference engine.  Other manufacturers choose
to do a non-interference engine.  So, the damage you claim is not
inherent to a timing belt breaking; it's inherent to the engine design.  
Some equivalent cars, should they use a timing belt, will suffer no
damage if the belt breaks.

But plenty of other equivalent cars use a timing chain like the Prius.

But let's not forget:  the chain is not maintenance free either.

How much about cars do you know?

Let's assume you know quite a bit about cars.  That makes your
statements even worse, because that means you are knowingly and
intentionally lying in order to defend and rationalize your Prius
purchase and discussion.

Your Prius purchase requires no defense or rationalization, yet you act
as if it does.  Gee, I wonder why.

Posted by David T. Johnson on April 12, 2011, 4:18 am
 Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:

No.  The 2011 Accord with the 3.5L V6 engine has a timing belt.
Presumably you would consider a 2011 model to be 'modern.'

A timing belt turns the overhead camshaft.  It it breaks, the engine
will no longer run leaving you stranded even if your engine is a
non-interference type.  If your engine is an interference type,
expensive engine damage may occur.  However, the recommended replacement
interval on the timing belt is 110k miles so the amortized repair cost
at 100k would be only 91 percent of the final bill.  Of course, the
Prius has not timing belt to replace.

Timing belts are more popular with engine manufacturers due to the lower
cost and weight advantages.  A chain is more durable.

Yes it is.  If the engine is maintained properly, the timing chain will
last for the life of the engine.

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