Posted by Elmo P. Shagnasty on April 12, 2011, 9:40 am
> > A modern Accord doesn't have a timing belt anymore.
>
> No. The 2011 Accord with the 3.5L V6 engine has a timing belt.
> Presumably you would consider a 2011 model to be 'modern.'
The much more popular, and much more equivalent to a Prius, 4 cylinder
Accord uses a timing chain. Funny that you ignored that in your rush to
rationalize your Prius discussion.
> > Honda chose to use an interference engine. Other manufacturers choose
> > to do a non-interference engine. So, the damage you claim is not
> > inherent to a timing belt breaking; it's inherent to the engine design.
> > Some equivalent cars, should they use a timing belt, will suffer no
> > damage if the belt breaks.
>
> A timing belt turns the overhead camshaft. It it breaks, the engine
> will no longer run leaving you stranded even if your engine is a
> non-interference type.
But your argument was the horrible damage that would necessarily occur
if a timing belt broke, and therefore the Prius was superior to other
cars because it uses a timing chain. You are conveniently and
completely ignoring that (a) the Prius is far from alone in using a
timing chain, and (b) the Prius is far from alone in being a
non-interference engine.
Your contention that the Prius is "special" in this way is just you
trying to rationalize your Prius purchase.
> > But plenty of other equivalent cars use a timing chain like the Prius.
>
> Timing belts are more popular with engine manufacturers due to the lower
> cost and weight advantages. A chain is more durable.
Which is exactly why many manufacturers use a chain, a fact you are
trying desperately to dismiss.
> > But let's not forget: the chain is not maintenance free either.
>
> Yes it is. If the engine is maintained properly, the timing chain will
> last for the life of the engine.
There is no sand too deep for you to stick your head into as you try to
rationalize your Prius purchase.
Posted by David T. Johnson on April 12, 2011, 4:24 pm
Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
>
>>> A modern Accord doesn't have a timing belt anymore.
>> No. The 2011 Accord with the 3.5L V6 engine has a timing belt.
>> Presumably you would consider a 2011 model to be 'modern.'
>
> The much more popular, and much more equivalent to a Prius, 4 cylinder
> Accord uses a timing chain. Funny that you ignored that in your rush to
> rationalize your Prius discussion.
The large majority of the Honda Accords on the road have timing belts.
>
>
>>> Honda chose to use an interference engine. Other manufacturers choose
>>> to do a non-interference engine. So, the damage you claim is not
>>> inherent to a timing belt breaking; it's inherent to the engine design.
>>> Some equivalent cars, should they use a timing belt, will suffer no
>>> damage if the belt breaks.
>> A timing belt turns the overhead camshaft. It it breaks, the engine
>> will no longer run leaving you stranded even if your engine is a
>> non-interference type.
>
> But your argument was the horrible damage that would necessarily occur
> if a timing belt broke, and therefore the Prius was superior to other
> cars because it uses a timing chain.
My argument was that timing belt replacement was required in most
non-hybrid cars comparable to the Prius while in the Prius it was not.
>
> There is no sand too deep for you to stick your head into as you try to
> rationalize your Prius purchase.
My Prius has already paid for itself...but it is important to also point
out that there are significant maintenance and repair cost savings with
the Prius in addition to the obvious fuel savings.
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Posted by Elmo P. Shagnasty on April 12, 2011, 10:13 pm
> > The much more popular, and much more equivalent to a Prius, 4 cylinder
> > Accord uses a timing chain. Funny that you ignored that in your rush to
> > rationalize your Prius discussion.
>
> The large majority of the Honda Accords on the road have timing belts.
The large majority of the cars on the road are not Prius.
But I thought we were talking about comparing the Prius to a modern car.
Posted by bwilson4web on April 13, 2011, 8:28 am
. . .
> But I thought we were talking about comparing the Prius to a modern car.
The Prius is the modern car only slightly equaled by some of the newer
plug-in and electric vehicles. In short, every gas or diesel vehicle
remains stuck in a simple technology for simple minds.
Bob Wilson
Posted by Elmo P. Shagnasty on April 13, 2011, 9:41 am
In article
> > But I thought we were talking about comparing the Prius to a modern car.
>
> The Prius is the modern car only slightly equaled by some of the newer
> plug-in and electric vehicles. In short, every gas or diesel vehicle
> remains stuck in a simple technology for simple minds.
But nonetheless is still a modern car.
>
> No. The 2011 Accord with the 3.5L V6 engine has a timing belt.
> Presumably you would consider a 2011 model to be 'modern.'