Posted by David T. Johnson on April 14, 2011, 2:42 pm
Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
Yes...and the large majority of Honda Accords have timing belts that
require periodic replacement to avoid catastrophic engine damage while
the Prius does not have a timing belt that requires replacement.
Generally, we are comparing the fuel, maintenance, and repair costs of a
Prius to other similar non-hybrid vehicles sold at the same time as the
Prius. It is irrelevant whether you would characterize the Prius or the
comparable non-hybrid cars as 'modern' or not.
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Posted by Elmo P. Shagnasty on April 12, 2011, 10:13 pm
Yet it remains that most non-hybrid cars do not use timing belts.
Posted by Elmo P. Shagnasty on April 9, 2011, 2:19 pm
See, there you go again with your intentional deceit.
The Prius battery is not "relatively inexpensive". It's quite
expensive for what it is, compared to a regular 12v car battery, because
it's an unusual part with low demand.
What that comes down to is, it costs the same--or more--to replace as
does a normal 12v car battery.
toyotapartscheap.com has it for $11. That's OEM, which is usually more
expensive than aftermarket. NAPA doesn't even show one for the
Prius--NAPA?? Tell me again how "common" this battery is. Most people
will end up with Optima (more expensive) or going to the dealer simply
because you can't find it at the local auto parts stores.
And it does go bad, at the same rate as the batteries that are used in
non-hybrid ICE cars. It still needs replaced every five years or so.
Why would that be? Because Toyota knows damn well that the battery
needs only open some relays to make the car come to Ready. So, it's
optimized for that duty, and nothing more. They didn't waste the money,
space, or weight on that battery being anything more than it had to be.
So, relative to its duties, it has the same performance envelope and
lifetime as the larger traditional 12v batteries that start the car
twice a day.
So it's not "relatively inexpensive," and anyone who's driven a Prius
for any length of time or has spent any time paying attention on a Prius
web forum knows that it needs replaced at about the same intervals.
Again, you're intentionally lying to try to make your rationalizations
Posted by bwilson4web on April 9, 2011, 11:31 pm
It has metric battery posts but a quick visit to any hardware store
can provide #4-#6 gauge wire and posts to make two, jumpers that bolt
into the existing ground and B+ clamp:
This opens the possibility of using garden tractor batteries costing
$5-30 if 12V battery cost is a 'big deal.' But in my case, I found a
ruggedized battery, Odyssey, warranted for 10 years. The OEM battery
lasted from 2003 to 2009.
More or less, owner's choice. Fortunately, the Prius electronics
allows use of batteries for whom 'cranking amps' are not an issue. The
traction battery turns the engine.
Posted by Elmo P. Shagnasty on April 9, 2011, 11:38 pm
Not intended for auto use, esp. cold weather.