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Posted by Elmo P. Shagnasty on July 4, 2014, 11:08 am

So you never have actually sat in a Prius, let alone driven one.  Got it.

Posted by sms on July 4, 2014, 3:36 pm
On 7/4/2014 4:08 AM, Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:

Here's where you can begin your education:

"From the spacious cabin to the quiet ride and the great handling to the  
available power, I think that the Camry Hybrid is really the perfect  
family car. I could see my family loading up the car for a road trip and  
actually enjoying the drive - no one would be cramped, our ears wouldn't  
be irritated by road noise and the vehicle is even fun to drive." --  
Forbes (2012)"

Again, the Prius is okay, but it has some annoying characteristics. The  
weight to power ratio is very high so performance is rather anemic,  
while the Camry hybrid is very powerful for a car in that class.

The Prius is an excellent choice for commuters that drive long distances  
each day since the fuel economy is about 21% better than the Camry  
hybrid. It's a poor choice for families with anything other than small  
children that want to take long road trips.

One thing that most people don't realize when comparing a regular Camry  
to a hybrid Camry, is that the higher fuel economy and smaller trunk are  
not the only differences. The combination of two power sources when  
accelerating make a tremendous difference in performance. A Camry hybrid  
has a 0-60 time of 7.4 seconds. The 4 cylinder Camry is 8.4 seconds. The  
Prius is a leisurely 9.8 seconds.

Posted by sms on July 6, 2014, 12:23 pm
 On 7/4/2014 4:08 AM, Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:

Elmo, the difference between you and I is that you feel compelled to  
defend any purchase you make, against all facts and logic, while I am  
able to state the facts about a purchase I make, including the negatives.

The differences between a Prius and a Camry are quite clear in terms of  
performance, space, and refinement. Unlike you, we now have both a Prius  
hybrid and a Camry hybrid and can directly compare the two.

The Prius is a very nice vehicle, and it was a good option for us  
because of several factors, the desire for a hatchback, the HOV access,  
and the higher MPG (and with $000 in incentives and tax rebates it was  
a good deal). But the Camry hybrid has other advantages, quieter, more  
powerful, more spacious, with an interior more to the level of a luxury  

I don't like the visibility impairment of the Prius in the rear view  
mirror, due to the split rear window, but I'm sure it'll be okay after I  
get used to it.

For $000 more the "Advanced" model of the Prius Plug-In has power seats  
with fake leather (Toyota determined that Prius buyers often don't want  
animal products) and a larger screen, but the mechanicals are still the  
same, and it's no quieter. The higher road noise on the Prius is really  
noticeable. After you get used to a car you get a sense of how fast  
you're going by the road noise, and I found myself going slower in the  
Prius because I was so used to the quietness of the Camry Hybrid.

Bottom line is that the Prius is a compact utilitarian vehicle that gets  
very good mileage. The Camry hybrid is a mid-size vehicle where the  
higher trim levels exude quality and luxury, and the performance  
approaches that of a sport sedan due to the powerful combination of the  
gas and electric motors during acceleration. Power to weight ratio is a  
spec that I don't think many people look at but it's important in a  
hybrid due to the weight of the battery packs.

Posted by Elmo P. Shagnasty on July 6, 2014, 1:53 pm

Oh, I'm happy to define the negatives of my purchases.  But you've  
flat-out misstated many things, out of your ignorance.

The back seat of a Prius is larger than the back seat of a Camry, for  

And I've driven a Camry.  If Toyota set out to build a worse  
driver/passenger experience, they couldn't have achieved it.

No, nothing but facts here.

Posted by Davoud on July 23, 2014, 1:25 am

Like the previous generations, i.e., like a goose egg on a roller skate.

Around 45 for conservative drivers.

Compared to what? Compared to that 16-year-old girl 53 years ago when I
was 17? Not very much fun at all.

I agree with almost everything that you have said and almost everything that
you will say in your entire life.

usenet *at* davidillig dawt cawm

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