Posted by Elmo P. Shagnasty on July 4, 2014, 11:08 am
> On 7/3/2014 3:39 AM, Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
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> > So you've never actually even sat in one, let alone driven one. Got it.
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> Being smarmy does not help your position.
So you never have actually sat in a Prius, let alone driven one. Got it.
Posted by sms on July 4, 2014, 3:36 pm
On 7/4/2014 4:08 AM, Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
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>> On 7/3/2014 3:39 AM, Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
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>> <snip>
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>>> So you've never actually even sat in one, let alone driven one. Got it.
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>> Being smarmy does not help your position.
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> So you never have actually sat in a Prius, let alone driven one. Got it.
>
Here's where you can begin your education:
"From the spacious cabin to the quiet ride and the great handling to the
available power, I think that the Camry Hybrid is really the perfect
family car. I could see my family loading up the car for a road trip and
actually enjoying the drive - no one would be cramped, our ears wouldn't
be irritated by road noise and the vehicle is even fun to drive." --
Forbes (2012)"
<http://usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/cars-trucks/Toyota_Camry-Hybrid/>
Again, the Prius is okay, but it has some annoying characteristics. The
weight to power ratio is very high so performance is rather anemic,
while the Camry hybrid is very powerful for a car in that class.
The Prius is an excellent choice for commuters that drive long distances
each day since the fuel economy is about 21% better than the Camry
hybrid. It's a poor choice for families with anything other than small
children that want to take long road trips.
One thing that most people don't realize when comparing a regular Camry
to a hybrid Camry, is that the higher fuel economy and smaller trunk are
not the only differences. The combination of two power sources when
accelerating make a tremendous difference in performance. A Camry hybrid
has a 0-60 time of 7.4 seconds. The 4 cylinder Camry is 8.4 seconds. The
Prius is a leisurely 9.8 seconds.
Posted by sms on July 6, 2014, 12:23 pm
On 7/4/2014 4:08 AM, Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
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>> On 7/3/2014 3:39 AM, Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
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>> <snip>
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>>> So you've never actually even sat in one, let alone driven one. Got it.
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>> Being smarmy does not help your position.
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> So you never have actually sat in a Prius, let alone driven one. Got it.
Elmo, the difference between you and I is that you feel compelled to
defend any purchase you make, against all facts and logic, while I am
able to state the facts about a purchase I make, including the negatives.
The differences between a Prius and a Camry are quite clear in terms of
performance, space, and refinement. Unlike you, we now have both a Prius
hybrid and a Camry hybrid and can directly compare the two.
The Prius is a very nice vehicle, and it was a good option for us
because of several factors, the desire for a hatchback, the HOV access,
and the higher MPG (and with $000 in incentives and tax rebates it was
a good deal). But the Camry hybrid has other advantages, quieter, more
powerful, more spacious, with an interior more to the level of a luxury
vehicle.
I don't like the visibility impairment of the Prius in the rear view
mirror, due to the split rear window, but I'm sure it'll be okay after I
get used to it.
For $000 more the "Advanced" model of the Prius Plug-In has power seats
with fake leather (Toyota determined that Prius buyers often don't want
animal products) and a larger screen, but the mechanicals are still the
same, and it's no quieter. The higher road noise on the Prius is really
noticeable. After you get used to a car you get a sense of how fast
you're going by the road noise, and I found myself going slower in the
Prius because I was so used to the quietness of the Camry Hybrid.
Bottom line is that the Prius is a compact utilitarian vehicle that gets
very good mileage. The Camry hybrid is a mid-size vehicle where the
higher trim levels exude quality and luxury, and the performance
approaches that of a sport sedan due to the powerful combination of the
gas and electric motors during acceleration. Power to weight ratio is a
spec that I don't think many people look at but it's important in a
hybrid due to the weight of the battery packs.
Posted by Elmo P. Shagnasty on July 6, 2014, 1:53 pm
> Elmo, the difference between you and I is that you feel compelled to
> defend any purchase you make, against all facts and logic, while I am
> able to state the facts about a purchase I make, including the negatives.
Oh, I'm happy to define the negatives of my purchases. But you've
flat-out misstated many things, out of your ignorance.
The back seat of a Prius is larger than the back seat of a Camry, for
example.
And I've driven a Camry. If Toyota set out to build a worse
driver/passenger experience, they couldn't have achieved it.
No, nothing but facts here.
Posted by Davoud on July 23, 2014, 1:25 am
LunaTuna:
> What do you think the 2015 Toyota Prius will look like.
Like the previous generations, i.e., like a goose egg on a roller skate.
> How much mileage would you think it would have.
Around 45 for conservative drivers.
> And how fun will It be.
Compared to what? Compared to that 16-year-old girl 53 years ago when I
was 17? Not very much fun at all.
--
I agree with almost everything that you have said and almost everything that
you will say in your entire life.
usenet *at* davidillig dawt cawm
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> > So you've never actually even sat in one, let alone driven one. Got it.
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> Being smarmy does not help your position.