Posted by DH on May 3, 2006, 4:21 pm
> wrote:
> > > Is there some other factor that overrides the inherent efficiency of
> > > diesel? e.g. pollution? Is that really it? Or, is it just market
> > > inertia and historically low fuel prices relative to Europe?
> > >
> > Because the US uses a dirty blend of diesel fuel. That is scheduled to
> > change in a year or 2 with a mandate for clean diesel fuel.
> Ultra-low-sulfur (<= 15 ppm) Diesel fuel becomes mandatory for retail
> sale in the US on 1 Oct 2006. It was to be 1 July, but the Bush
> Administration, god bless 'em, decided that the poor old oil bidnis
> needed some more help.
Yes, I see the poor b*st*rds made hardly any money this year.
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Posted by Lynn McGuire on May 3, 2006, 8:52 pm
>> > > Is there some other factor that overrides the inherent efficiency of
>> > > diesel? e.g. pollution? Is that really it? Or, is it just market
>> > > inertia and historically low fuel prices relative to Europe?
>> > >
>> > Because the US uses a dirty blend of diesel fuel. That is scheduled to
>> > change in a year or 2 with a mandate for clean diesel fuel.
>>
>> Ultra-low-sulfur (<= 15 ppm) Diesel fuel becomes mandatory for retail
>> sale in the US on 1 Oct 2006. It was to be 1 July, but the Bush
>> Administration, god bless 'em, decided that the poor old oil bidnis
>> needed some more help.
> Yes, I see the poor b*st*rds made hardly any money this year.
Dont worry, you are getting to pay the extra 5 cents per gallon that the
new hydrotreators are costing. The refiners pay those costs right along
to the consumer.
Lynn
Posted by abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz on May 4, 2006, 2:09 am
MB(Dodge/Freightliner) has been selling Sprinter Van for years now
<http://www.edmunds.com/new/research/dodge/sprinter.html>
It is the UPS Vans you see daily everywhere on the street.
MPG is around 27-28.
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Posted by mailman on May 6, 2006, 1:18 am
wrote:
>>> > > Is there some other factor that overrides the inherent efficiency of
>>> > > diesel? e.g. pollution? Is that really it? Or, is it just market
>>> > > inertia and historically low fuel prices relative to Europe?
>>> > >
>>> > Because the US uses a dirty blend of diesel fuel. That is scheduled to
>>> > change in a year or 2 with a mandate for clean diesel fuel.
>>>
>>> Ultra-low-sulfur (<= 15 ppm) Diesel fuel becomes mandatory for retail
>>> sale in the US on 1 Oct 2006. It was to be 1 July, but the Bush
>>> Administration, god bless 'em, decided that the poor old oil bidnis
>>> needed some more help.
>>
>> Yes, I see the poor b*st*rds made hardly any money this year.
>Dont worry, you are getting to pay the extra 5 cents per gallon that the
>new hydrotreators are costing. The refiners pay those costs right along
>to the consumer.
>Lynn
As Maxwall Smart would say " The old consumer pays trick. "
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Posted by =?iso-8859-1?Q?mark=5Fdigital= on May 4, 2006, 2:11 pm
>I noticed in Europe that diesels and turbo diesels are very common (eg
> Peugeot) with claims of 50 mpg mileage according to some owners I spoke
> to. They were pretty comfortable cars, too, just not as big as in the
> USA, though not tiny by any means, quite comparable to the Prius in
> size.
> So, given the fact that a diesel engine is ~15% more efficient,
> mpg-wise, for the same horsepower than a gasoline engine, and that with
> a turbo diesel you can get decent performance AND high mpg, why the
> heck are the majority of cars in the USA still gasoline?
A lot of people used to be very sloppy and/or careless when they filled up
and the next in line usually got some fuel on the bottom of their shoes,
which meant tracking it inside the car. Gasoline without the scent added
smells gross.
I buy clear K-1 and though I'm very careful with it I do get some on my
hands. It lingers like chlorine bleach.
I don't care how clean diesel becomes in the future, the exhaust is
typically very heavy and doesn't dissipate as easily as the fumes from
burned gasoline. I don't know a single person who enjoys being behind a
diesel, in slow traffic, on a hot summer day.
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> > > Is there some other factor that overrides the inherent efficiency of
> > > diesel? e.g. pollution? Is that really it? Or, is it just market
> > > inertia and historically low fuel prices relative to Europe?
> > >
> > Because the US uses a dirty blend of diesel fuel. That is scheduled to
> > change in a year or 2 with a mandate for clean diesel fuel.
> Ultra-low-sulfur (<= 15 ppm) Diesel fuel becomes mandatory for retail
> sale in the US on 1 Oct 2006. It was to be 1 July, but the Bush
> Administration, god bless 'em, decided that the poor old oil bidnis
> needed some more help.