Posted by abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz on May 6, 2006, 3:12 am
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=>A lot of people used to be very sloppy and/or careless when they filled up
=>and the next in line usually got some fuel on the bottom of their shoes,
=>which meant tracking it inside the car. Gasoline without the scent added
=>smells gross.
=>I buy clear K-1 and though I'm very careful with it I do get some on my
=>hands. It lingers like chlorine bleach.
=>I don't care how clean diesel becomes in the future, the exhaust is
=>typically very heavy and doesn't dissipate as easily as the fumes from
=>burned gasoline. I don't know a single person who enjoys being behind a
=>diesel, in slow traffic, on a hot summer day.
=>
=>mark_
Smelly? Another urban myth?
Never smell anything behind UPS vans(MB/Dodge/Freight liner Sprinter Diesel
Van) and they have been running in US for years now. Also, Sprinter van is the
hottest commercial van on the market for years. For 28MPG, no other US vans
can beat it.
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Posted by Mailman on May 7, 2006, 4:29 am
wrote:
>>I noticed in Europe that diesels and turbo diesels are very common (eg
>> Peugeot) with claims of 50 mpg mileage according to some owners I spoke
>> to. They were pretty comfortable cars, too, just not as big as in the
>> USA, though not tiny by any means, quite comparable to the Prius in
>> size.
>>
>> So, given the fact that a diesel engine is ~15% more efficient,
>> mpg-wise, for the same horsepower than a gasoline engine, and that with
>> a turbo diesel you can get decent performance AND high mpg, why the
>> heck are the majority of cars in the USA still gasoline?
>>
>A lot of people used to be very sloppy and/or careless when they filled up
>and the next in line usually got some fuel on the bottom of their shoes,
>which meant tracking it inside the car. Gasoline without the scent added
>smells gross.
>I buy clear K-1 and though I'm very careful with it I do get some on my
>hands. It lingers like chlorine bleach.
>I don't care how clean diesel becomes in the future, the exhaust is
>typically very heavy and doesn't dissipate as easily as the fumes from
>burned gasoline. I don't know a single person who enjoys being behind a
>diesel, in slow traffic, on a hot summer day.
>mark_
Just wait until diesel cars start using bio fuel.
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Posted by Bill on May 7, 2006, 5:14 am
> wrote:
>>
>>>I noticed in Europe that diesels and turbo diesels are very common (eg
>>> Peugeot) with claims of 50 mpg mileage according to some owners I spoke
>>> to. They were pretty comfortable cars, too, just not as big as in the
>>> USA, though not tiny by any means, quite comparable to the Prius in
>>> size.
>>>
>>> So, given the fact that a diesel engine is ~15% more efficient,
>>> mpg-wise, for the same horsepower than a gasoline engine, and that with
>>> a turbo diesel you can get decent performance AND high mpg, why the
>>> heck are the majority of cars in the USA still gasoline?
>>>
>>
>>A lot of people used to be very sloppy and/or careless when they filled up
>>and the next in line usually got some fuel on the bottom of their shoes,
>>which meant tracking it inside the car. Gasoline without the scent added
>>smells gross.
>>I buy clear K-1 and though I'm very careful with it I do get some on my
>>hands. It lingers like chlorine bleach.
>>I don't care how clean diesel becomes in the future, the exhaust is
>>typically very heavy and doesn't dissipate as easily as the fumes from
>>burned gasoline. I don't know a single person who enjoys being behind a
>>diesel, in slow traffic, on a hot summer day.
>>
>>mark_
> Just wait until diesel cars start using bio fuel.
No shit. That will drive the price of food up.
Posted by Ken on May 8, 2006, 7:01 am
This is one of the most interesting threads I have seen anywhere
recently - so much so I sorted by date and went through again. It is
great to learn so much about day-to-day use of hybrids and about
batteries and diesel technology.
One thing which is not clear is whether diesel is inherently more
expensive to produce than petrol. I suppose the differential depends,
in part, on the type of crude and, possibly, dealing with sulphur.
The free gift of hybrids is regenerative braking - the fossil fuels we
will continue to waste until this is universal should make us weep.
The thread contains convincing evidence that there is no real barrier
to diesel hybrids. My arithmetic suggests that a diesel-powered Prius
would do around 35.
What remains unresolved, for me anyway, is whether there is (or needs
to be) any significant difference in pollution between petrol/diesel.
Posted by Ray O on May 8, 2006, 3:44 pm
> This is one of the most interesting threads I have seen anywhere
> recently - so much so I sorted by date and went through again. It is
> great to learn so much about day-to-day use of hybrids and about
> batteries and diesel technology.
> One thing which is not clear is whether diesel is inherently more
> expensive to produce than petrol. I suppose the differential depends,
> in part, on the type of crude and, possibly, dealing with sulphur.
> The free gift of hybrids is regenerative braking - the fossil fuels we
> will continue to waste until this is universal should make us weep
> The thread contains convincing evidence that there is no real barrier
> to diesel hybrids. My arithmetic suggests that a diesel-powered Prius
> would do around 35.
There is not really a technical barrier to making a dieseel hybrid function.
However, as I mentioned before, there is a cost barrier that consumers may
not be willing to pay because there is a premium price for a diesel and a
premium price for a hybrid system, so the price of a diesel hybrid could be
so high that nobody would purchase it.
> What remains unresolved, for me anyway, is whether there is (or needs
> to be) any significant difference in pollution between petrol/diesel.
The other potential barrier to diesel hybrid sales is that Toyota markets
hybrids as a "greener" alternative to conventionally powered vehicles, and
many people, especially in the U.S., perceive diesel as a dirtier engine so
the number of prospective buyers might be to small to justify development
and production costs.
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>> Peugeot) with claims of 50 mpg mileage according to some owners I spoke
>> to. They were pretty comfortable cars, too, just not as big as in the
>> USA, though not tiny by any means, quite comparable to the Prius in
>> size.
>>
>> So, given the fact that a diesel engine is ~15% more efficient,
>> mpg-wise, for the same horsepower than a gasoline engine, and that with
>> a turbo diesel you can get decent performance AND high mpg, why the
>> heck are the majority of cars in the USA still gasoline?
>>
>A lot of people used to be very sloppy and/or careless when they filled up
>and the next in line usually got some fuel on the bottom of their shoes,
>which meant tracking it inside the car. Gasoline without the scent added
>smells gross.
>I buy clear K-1 and though I'm very careful with it I do get some on my
>hands. It lingers like chlorine bleach.
>I don't care how clean diesel becomes in the future, the exhaust is
>typically very heavy and doesn't dissipate as easily as the fumes from
>burned gasoline. I don't know a single person who enjoys being behind a
>diesel, in slow traffic, on a hot summer day.
>mark_