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Posted by abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz on May 9, 2006, 11:11 pm
 



Dodge Sprinter is selling in every states.
<http://www.dodge.com/sprinter/>
UPS/Fedex Sprinter vans are running everywhere.
Do you smell anything behind UPS/Fedex van?
Do oil companies make special Diesel fuel for them to use?
Do you think UPS/Fedex are stupid NOT for profit companies?


=>
=>Could be because the diesel engine is in fact dirtier than the gasoline
=>models you mention?  For example, you cannot buy a new VW TDI diesel in
=>my state, because the emissions are so bad.
=>
=>2006 VW Golf TDI, EPA air pollution score of 1, LEV.  Not sold in CA or
=>the New England states.
=>http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/noframes/21884.shtml
=>http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/noframes/21885.shtml
=>
=>2006 VW New Beetle TDI, EPA air pollution score of 1, BIN9.  Not sold
=>in CA or the New England states.
=>http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/noframes/21779.shtml
=>http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/noframes/21780.shtml
=>
=>2006 Toyota Highlander Hybrid, EPA air pollution score of 8, BIN3, not
=>sold in CA or the New England states, or for the CA emission version is
=>an air pollution score of 9, SULEV II.
=>http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/noframes/22459.shtml
=>http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/noframes/22602.shtml
=>
=>2006 Toyota Highlander Hybrid, EPA air pollution score of 8, BIN3, not
=>sold in CA or the New England states, or for the CA emission version is
=>an air pollution score of 9.5, SULEV II.
=>http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/noframes/22016.shtml
=>
=>(fueleconomy.gov doesn't have the 2007 model years available yet,
=>otherwise I would've included the available 2007 Toyota Camry hybrid.
=>no score was listed for the VW Jetta TDI.)
=>
=>(EPA air pollution scores are based on 1=worst, 10=best.  For the
=>Maximum allowed grams per mile Emission limits at full useful life
=>(100,000-120,000 miles), see:
=>http://www.epa.gov/greenvehicles/rating.htm  )
=>
=>To note the limits for the non-CA emission states (listed as maximum
=>grams per mile):
=>
=>NOx=Oxides of Nitrogen: Compounds containing nitrogen and oxygen; they
=>combine with hydrocarbons in the sunlight to form smog
=>1 = 0.6
=>8 = 0.03
=>
=>NMOG=Non-Methane Organic Compounds: Compounds containing carbon; they
=>combine with NOx in the sunlight to form smog
=>1 = 0.280
=>8 = 0.055
=>
=>CO=Carbon Monoxide: A colorless, odorless, poisonous gas
=>1 = 6.4
=>8 = 2.1
=>
=>PM=Particulate Matter: Tiny particles of solid matter that lodge in the
=>lungs and deposit on buildings
=>1 = 0.08
=>8 = 0.01
=>
=>HCHO=Formaldehyde: A lung irritant and carcinogen
=>1 = 0.027
=>8 = 0.011
=>
=>
=>So yes, I would say that the diesels are dirtier (more than 2x for
=>HCHO, 20x for NOx) than the Toyota hybrids, because they are.

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Posted by mrv@kluge.net on May 10, 2006, 3:15 pm
 



abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz wrote:

The Dodge Sprinter has a GVWR of 8550lbs.
http://www-5.dodge.com/vehsuite/VehicleCompare.jsp

Therefore, it is exempt from fuel economy testing (passenger vehicles
over 8500 lbs are excluded) as it is considered a heavy truck, and
probably doesn't have to meet emission requirements either.  Same goes
for other popular vehicles like the Ford F-250/350 series and
Excursion, Hummer H1 and H2, Dodge Ram 2500/3500 series, Chevy Suburban
3/4 ton, etc.
http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/which_tested.shtml

I'll also note that OSHA has various regulations on diesel exhaust, but
I haven't seen the quite so many for gasoline (mainly just for auto
repair shops or drive-through restaurants).
http://www.osha.gov/SLTC/dieselexhaust/standards.html


Posted by =?iso-8859-1?Q?mark=5Fdigital= on May 8, 2006, 8:47 am
 



I would rather see bio fuel used to heat homes instead of using it for
vehicles.
Alternatives such as wood, coal, pellets and corn are a pain in the ass
unless one never leaves his home for any extended period of time.
mark_


Posted by mailman on May 10, 2006, 5:31 am
 

wrote:


I wonder what  your neighbours would think of you burning  old fish & chip
oil.



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Posted by DH on May 10, 2006, 3:25 pm
 


Every time he drives by, they start thinking about lunch.



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