Posted by jim on February 27, 2010, 8:15 pm
"Hachiroku $B%O%A%m%/(B" wrote:
>
> On Sat, 27 Feb 2010 10:05:37 -0600, jim wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > jim beam wrote:
> >
> >
> >> so read the freakin' owners manual!
> >
> > How is that going to help someone with an out of control vehicle?
>
> We're kind of assuming you familiarize yourself with a vehicle loaded with
> technology that may be unfamiliar BEFORE you find yourself hurtling
> through space at 125 MPH. How had she been turning the car off before that?
>
> >
> >
> >> besides, unless this is absolutely the first time this person has ever
> >> sat behind the wheel of this vehicle, and hasn't yet turned it off, they
> >> will have LEARNED that the button needs to be pressed for THREE SECONDS
> >> to switch off the vehicle. duh.
> >
> > that may well be easy to do when you are stopped in your driveway, but if
> > you are careening down the highway at an unreasonably fast speed your
> > perception of how long 3 seconds is may be a tad altered.
> >
> > you are obviously a loon if you are trying to defend this as good
> > design.
>
> A lot of companies have adopted it. I think Honda was one of the first
> with the S2000.
I think it was a '46 chevy coupe that was the first car I saw where you
pushed a button on the dash to start the car. It was considered cutting
edge technology. A big step forward from stepping on a pedal on the
floor.
Posted by Clive on February 27, 2010, 8:35 pm
> I think it was a '46 chevy coupe that was the first car I saw where you
>pushed a button on the dash to start the car. It was considered cutting
>edge technology. A big step forward from stepping on a pedal on the
>floor.
I can remember cars from between the wars having starter buttons as
standard, it was a long time later that there was another space (other
than off and on) that allowed you to crank the engine with the key.
--
Clive
Posted by =?iso-2022-jp?q?Hachiroku_=1B$ on February 28, 2010, 12:43 am
On Sat, 27 Feb 2010 14:15:05 -0600, jim wrote:
>> A lot of companies have adopted it. I think Honda was one of the first
>> with the S2000.
>
> I think it was a '46 chevy coupe that was the first car I saw where you
> pushed a button on the dash to start the car. It was considered cutting
> edge technology. A big step forward from stepping on a pedal on the floor.
I was talking in terms of modern, electrically controlled ignition rather
than have a button on the dash in place of a soleniod.
But you knew that.
Posted by =?iso-2022-jp?q?Hachiroku_=1B$ on February 27, 2010, 7:43 pm
On Fri, 26 Feb 2010 23:15:21 -0700, Ashton Crusher wrote:
> wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 24 Feb 2010 01:01:03 -0700, Ashton Crusher wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>>A woman testified before Congress that when her Toyota began
>>>>accelerating uncontrollably she "put the car in neutral and it had no
>>>>effect, I stepped on the brakes and it had no effect, I applied the
>>>>emergency brake and it had no effect, I even tried to put the car into
>>>>reverse and I couldn't."
>>>>
>>>>Huh? Putting the car in neutral had no effect? Someone provide with
>>>>with a clue on this one.
>>>>
>>>>BTW< the car was a Lexus.
>>>
>>>
>>> And do you know for a fact that the transmission is mechanically
>>> shifted or if it's all electronically controlled? If it is
>>> electronically controlled, do you KNOW that when that model Toyota is
>>> being driven that it can be shifted into neutral?
>>
>>Nope. I don't.
>
>
> And yet you attack the woman who made the statement. Tells plenty about
> you.
"God shut the car off" tells me all I need to know to determine she needs
to ride the bus.
>
>
>
>
>>What about the OFF button?
>
> What about it? As many have already said, it seems that you have to hold
> it for 3 seconds. She probably didn't hold it that long. Most likely
> it's the ONLY on/off button on anything she owns that has to be held for 3
> seconds to turn off.
So, how has she been shutting the car off since she bought it?
Buses aren't very expensive to ride.
>
>
>>So, do YOU know if it can or can't? Add something instead of blather for
>>once. You seems to be adept at ruining transmissions.
>>
>>
> Really? Shows your reading comprehension problem. The ONLY transmission
> that has not been up to the task of MY *normal* driving is the junk in the
> Toyota Tercel. Whereas my domestics last forever it seems, the Toyota
> only lasted a month. Since they work so well for you I'll assume you
> drive like you write, sloppily, slow, and all over the place, whereas I'm
> tight, fast, and on the mark.
A MONTH!!! Holy Crap! Mine have gone YEARS, but then, I don't expect an
Econobox to have Porsche performance.
Posted by Steve on February 24, 2010, 8:45 pm
Hachiroku wrote:
> A woman testified before Congress that when her Toyota began accelerating
> uncontrollably she "put the car in neutral and it had no effect, I stepped
> on the brakes and it had no effect, I applied the emergency brake and it
> had no effect, I even tried to put the car into reverse and I couldn't."
>
> Huh? Putting the car in neutral had no effect? Someone provide with with a
> clue on this one.
>
> BTW< the car was a Lexus.
Conceptually the electronically controlled transmission can be inhibited
from switching to neutral whenever a wide-open throttle input is received.
Catch-22. Can't release the throttle, therefore you can't shift to
neutral, brakes don't override throttle and return the engine to idle,
and you have to hold the "start" button for >4 seconds to shut down the
engine.
Now only a moron would program a PCM that way. But then I thought only a
moron would fail to include brake-overrides-throttle logic in EVERY
electronic throttle model too. Silly me.
> On Sat, 27 Feb 2010 10:05:37 -0600, jim wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > jim beam wrote:
> >
> >
> >> so read the freakin' owners manual!
> >
> > How is that going to help someone with an out of control vehicle?
>
> We're kind of assuming you familiarize yourself with a vehicle loaded with
> technology that may be unfamiliar BEFORE you find yourself hurtling
> through space at 125 MPH. How had she been turning the car off before that?
>
> >
> >
> >> besides, unless this is absolutely the first time this person has ever
> >> sat behind the wheel of this vehicle, and hasn't yet turned it off, they
> >> will have LEARNED that the button needs to be pressed for THREE SECONDS
> >> to switch off the vehicle. duh.
> >
> > that may well be easy to do when you are stopped in your driveway, but if
> > you are careening down the highway at an unreasonably fast speed your
> > perception of how long 3 seconds is may be a tad altered.
> >
> > you are obviously a loon if you are trying to defend this as good
> > design.
>
> A lot of companies have adopted it. I think Honda was one of the first
> with the S2000.