Posted by =?iso-2022-jp?q?Hachiroku_=1B$ on February 24, 2010, 8:53 pm
On Wed, 24 Feb 2010 14:45:15 -0600, Steve wrote:
> Silly me.
I'll say.
But absoultely correct. Just like the Cruise Control.
Posted by JoeSpareBedroom on February 24, 2010, 8:55 pm
> Hachiroku wrote:
>> A woman testified before Congress that when her Toyota began accelerating
>> uncontrollably she "put the car in neutral and it had no effect, I
>> stepped
>> on the brakes and it had no effect, I applied the emergency brake and it
>> had no effect, I even tried to put the car into reverse and I couldn't."
>>
>> Huh? Putting the car in neutral had no effect? Someone provide with with
>> a
>> clue on this one.
>>
>> BTW< the car was a Lexus.
> Conceptually the electronically controlled transmission can be inhibited
> from switching to neutral whenever a wide-open throttle input is received.
> Catch-22. Can't release the throttle, therefore you can't shift to
> neutral, brakes don't override throttle and return the engine to idle, and
> you have to hold the "start" button for >4 seconds to shut down the
> engine.
> Now only a moron would program a PCM that way. But then I thought only a
> moron would fail to include brake-overrides-throttle logic in EVERY
> electronic throttle model too. Silly me.
Brake overrides cruise control. Give the geniuses 10 years to figure out
that they could extrapolate from that idea....
Posted by Steve on February 25, 2010, 3:34 pm
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
>>
>> Now only a moron would program a PCM that way. But then I thought only a
>> moron would fail to include brake-overrides-throttle logic in EVERY
>> electronic throttle model too. Silly me.
>>
>
>
> Brake overrides cruise control. Give the geniuses 10 years to figure out
> that they could extrapolate from that idea....
>
>
But in Toyotas, the brake does NOT override the accelerator pedal, as it
does in BMW, GM, Chrysler, and virtually other electronic-throttle
vehicle out there. Toyota has admitted this.
Posted by Neo on February 27, 2010, 8:48 pm
> A woman testified before Congress that when her Toyota began accelerating
> uncontrollably she "put the car in neutral and it had no effect, I stepped
> on the brakes and it had no effect, I applied the emergency brake and it
> had no effect, I even tried to put the car into reverse and I couldn't."
> Huh? Putting the car in neutral had no effect? Someone provide with with a
> clue on this one.
> BTW< the car was a Lexus.
driver = Mrs. Rhonda Smith of Servierville, Tenn
Car = 2007 Lexus ES350
Event date = October 2006
Event location = I-40, Tennessee
Event Car Mileage: 3000 miles
Current Car Mileage: 30000 miles
Event description = The driver testified
before congress that her car accelerates to
100mph. as she attempted to slow it down
using her brakes, emergency brakes, by
shifting the car into neutral, and by
shifting the car into reverse. After
6 miles the car stops[1].
Ms. Smith trade in her 2007 Lexus ES350
after 3000 miles. It was purchased by
another family whom has since driven
it another 27000 miles without incident
until the NHTSA has purchased it for
testing at its Vehicle Research and Test
Center in East Liberty, Ohio. It has
been reported that the NHTSA
purchased the car for about
$2,500 for testing [2]. The
blue book value of the car in good
condition is $3,185.
[1]
http://www.startribune.com/business/84955817.html
http://www.gainesville.com/article/20100223/ARTICLES/100229805
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/02/23/national/main6234834.shtml
http://www.factsaboutclimatechange.com/topic/Automotive+Technology
[2]
http://www.factsaboutclimatechange.com/topic/Automotive+Technology
http://www.factsaboutclimatechange.com/article/U.S.%20to%20test%20Lexus%20m=
odel%20cited%20in%20Toyota%20hearings/?k=j83s12y12h94s27k02
http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/shame-on-you-rhonda-smith/
http://blogs.cars.com/kickingtires/2010/02/nhtsa-to-test-lexus-vehicle-inve=
stigate-electronics-for-all-automakers.html
http://www.detnews.com/article/20100226/AUTO01/2260443/1148/rss25
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/economy-watch/2010/02/nhtsa_buys_car_belon=
ging_to_ru.html?hpid=topnews
Posted by Not Me on February 27, 2010, 10:43 pm
Neo wrote:
>> A woman testified before Congress that when her Toyota began accelerating
>> uncontrollably she "put the car in neutral and it had no effect, I stepped
>> on the brakes and it had no effect, I applied the emergency brake and it
>> had no effect, I even tried to put the car into reverse and I couldn't."
>>
>> Huh? Putting the car in neutral had no effect? Someone provide with with a
>> clue on this one.
>>
>> BTW< the car was a Lexus.
>
> driver = Mrs. Rhonda Smith of Servierville, Tenn
> Car = 2007 Lexus ES350
> Event date = October 2006
> Event location = I-40, Tennessee
> Event Car Mileage: 3000 miles
> Current Car Mileage: 30000 miles
>
> Event description = The driver testified
> before congress that her car accelerates to
> 100mph. as she attempted to slow it down
> using her brakes, emergency brakes, by
> shifting the car into neutral, and by
> shifting the car into reverse. After
> 6 miles the car stops[1].
>
> Ms. Smith trade in her 2007 Lexus ES350
> after 3000 miles. It was purchased by
> another family whom has since driven
> it another 27000 miles without incident
> until the NHTSA has purchased it for
> testing at its Vehicle Research and Test
> Center in East Liberty, Ohio. It has
> been reported that the NHTSA
> purchased the car for about
> $2,500 for testing [2]. The
> blue book value of the car in good
> condition is $3,185.
>
Sure, but this one had celebrity status...
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