Posted by A Sherman on August 11, 2008, 2:14 pm
Thanks for doing this, Bob.
It was very interesting. It is easier to find your submittals by searching
NHTSA-2008-0108-0020
or simply use http://tinyurl.com/5kh2n3
-Al
> Hi,
> After driving to DC and back for a June 23 hearing about putting noise
> makers on hybrids for the blind, I submitted my materials for the
> record, the last week submissions, were open and here they are:
> http://www.regulations.gov
> search: NHTSA-2008-0108
> My documents are:
> NHTSA-2008-0108-0020
> NHTSA-2008-0108-0020.1
> NHTSA-2008-0108-0020.2
Posted by Michelle Vadeboncoeur on August 11, 2008, 3:36 pm
On Aug 10, 7:35pm, bwilson4...@hotmail.com (Bob & Holly Wilson)
wrote:
> After driving to DC and back for a June 23 hearing about putting noise
> makers on hybrids for the blind, I submitted my materials for the
> record, the last week submissions, were open and here they are:
> http://www.regulations.gov
> search: NHTSA-2008-0108
> My documents are:
> NHTSA-2008-0108-0020
> NHTSA-2008-0108-0020.1
> NHTSA-2008-0108-0020.2
> When the NHTSA turned down my request to present the hybrid electric
> owner's point of view, they said I could ask questions at the meeting
> and submit my materials for the record. This meant I was able to review
> and critique the other presenters and use the extra time to prepare a
> much better presentation than I'd originally planned. They also kicked
> off a petition effort to "give hybrid electric owners a seat at the
> table."
> Hybrid electric owners are the ones who will have to pay for any
> mandated noise makers. By denying my presentation, they essentially
> exercised "taxation without representation," a policy that didn't work
> out very well in the past. The letters petitioning Congress have gone
> out and we will see what happens.
> Congress is in recess until Labor Day so other than some minor support
> efforts, not much is happening. We'll see what happens in the fall. With
> luck, it will never leave commitee and die with this Congress.
> A couple of other fun reads:http://www.greenhybrid.com/discuss/178003-post1.html
> "At the very end of the session, I asked, "What about the bill before
> Congress, HR 5734? What if it gets passed in August?" He answered,
> "Don't worry ..." Which means I do worry and so should you unless you
> are happy with the "Bell the Hybrid Act," HR 5734. ..."
> Also:http://www.greenhybrid.com/discuss/183771-post1.html
> "As some of you know, I've been applying my engineering skills to fixing
> some Congressional nonsense, HR 5734, the "Bell the Hybrid Act" that
> proposes to put noise makers on all hybrid electrics. With the
> Congressional recess, nothing will happen until Congress returns in
> September. So this is a good time to share what has been going on
> including some background. ..."
Thanks for the updates, and all your work on this matter!
Just to note, for those interested in contacting their local House
representative, you can find out who your representative is and how to
contact them through:
https://forms.house.gov/wyr/welcome.shtml
Posted by Jean Smith on August 12, 2008, 12:26 am
In article
> On Aug 10, 7:35 pm, bwilson4...@hotmail.com (Bob & Holly Wilson)
> wrote:
> > After driving to DC and back for a June 23 hearing about putting noise
> > makers on hybrids for the blind, I submitted my materials for the
> > record, the last week submissions, were open and here they are:
> >
> > http://www.regulations.gov
> > search: NHTSA-2008-0108
> >
> > My documents are:
> > NHTSA-2008-0108-0020
> > NHTSA-2008-0108-0020.1
> > NHTSA-2008-0108-0020.2
> >
> > When the NHTSA turned down my request to present the hybrid electric
> > owner's point of view, they said I could ask questions at the meeting
> > and submit my materials for the record. This meant I was able to review
> > and critique the other presenters and use the extra time to prepare a
> > much better presentation than I'd originally planned. They also kicked
> > off a petition effort to "give hybrid electric owners a seat at the
> > table."
> >
> > Hybrid electric owners are the ones who will have to pay for any
> > mandated noise makers. By denying my presentation, they essentially
> > exercised "taxation without representation," a policy that didn't work
> > out very well in the past. The letters petitioning Congress have gone
> > out and we will see what happens.
> >
> > Congress is in recess until Labor Day so other than some minor support
> > efforts, not much is happening. We'll see what happens in the fall. With
> > luck, it will never leave commitee and die with this Congress.
> >
> > A couple of other fun
> > reads:http://www.greenhybrid.com/discuss/178003-post1.html
> >
> > "At the very end of the session, I asked, "What about the bill before
> > Congress, HR 5734? What if it gets passed in August?" He answered,
> > "Don't worry ..." Which means I do worry and so should you unless you
> > are happy with the "Bell the Hybrid Act," HR 5734. ..."
> >
> > Also:http://www.greenhybrid.com/discuss/183771-post1.html
> >
> > "As some of you know, I've been applying my engineering skills to fixing
> > some Congressional nonsense, HR 5734, the "Bell the Hybrid Act" that
> > proposes to put noise makers on all hybrid electrics. With the
> > Congressional recess, nothing will happen until Congress returns in
> > September. So this is a good time to share what has been going on
> > including some background. ..."
>
> Thanks for the updates, and all your work on this matter!
>
> Just to note, for those interested in contacting their local House
> representative, you can find out who your representative is and how to
> contact them through:
> https://forms.house.gov/wyr/welcome.shtml
I once knew someone who worked for the Cincinnati Association of the Blind
where her clients tended to have vision that could be corrected to "legally
blind." She told me that the usual answer to how they got there was that they
drove. I don't think putting whistles on there cars will help other drivers,
but it might alert pedestrians, and deer, of course.
What's the equivalent of CAB around here? They specialized in prescribing
complex lenses that helped clients to use their remaining vision and connecting
the blind population with supportive services.
--
http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/programmes/assignment.shtml
http://www.TheNextCheney.com http://thinkprogress.org/2008/07/08/
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/04/23/it-goes-well-beyond-the-keating-five/
What to give the vets http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/16356.html
Posted by Ron Hammon on August 12, 2008, 4:09 am
Jean Smith wrote:
snip
> I once knew someone who worked for the Cincinnati Association of the Blind
> where her clients tended to have vision that could be corrected to "legally
> blind." She told me that the usual answer to how they got there was that they
> drove.
snip
I had a... relative (my grandmother's 1st cousin. I knew him well) who
suffered from macular degeneration. His wife never learned to drive. For
about a year, they drove as a team, with her telling him what to do and
when. The theory didn't work very well in practice. It was almost like
"Hear no Evil, See no Evil".
Ron
Posted by Was Istoben on August 12, 2008, 2:08 pm
> Jean Smith wrote:
> snip
>> I once knew someone who worked for the Cincinnati Association of the
>> Blind
>> where her clients tended to have vision that could be corrected to
>> "legally
>> blind." She told me that the usual answer to how they got there was that
>> they
>> drove.
> snip
> I had a... relative (my grandmother's 1st cousin. I knew him well) who
> suffered from macular degeneration. His wife never learned to drive. For
> about a year, they drove as a team, with her telling him what to do and
> when. The theory didn't work very well in practice. It was almost like
> "Hear no Evil, See no Evil".
> Ron
My vision is just fine. Still, she tells me what to do and when. Very
distracting, but I keep my mouth shut because she has the .....
> After driving to DC and back for a June 23 hearing about putting noise
> makers on hybrids for the blind, I submitted my materials for the
> record, the last week submissions, were open and here they are:
> http://www.regulations.gov
> search: NHTSA-2008-0108
> My documents are:
> NHTSA-2008-0108-0020
> NHTSA-2008-0108-0020.1
> NHTSA-2008-0108-0020.2