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Posted by Michael Pardee on August 15, 2005, 12:46 pm

I suppose the concept is to encourage development along the lines of those
cars. I don't know whether the strategy is sound but it makes some sense.


Posted by B. Peg on August 15, 2005, 12:57 pm

Dunno about the inefficiency argument.  You'd need to argue it with the
railroads as they also use almost the same technology (diesel engine runs
generators to drive electric motors for the wheels).  All said, less fuel
consumption per mile is an efficiency gain, imo, leaving out the price of
the car in the equation.

Only one I ponder is the Outlander, or whatever the damn SUV Toyota makes
that I cannot remember, is a good example >:o(  .  The higher price of
"that"  hybrid is questionable for the minimal mpg gain on the sticker
(almost 1-2mpg freeway and maybe 6-8 mpg in the city).  Dealer salesman was
disappointed with the numbers as well and all had hoped it would be higher.
That one isn't enough for me, and I think the idea was to push the
horsepower at a slight edge in mpg (very slight).


Posted by dbs__usenet on August 17, 2005, 12:19 am
You missed the point that was being made.  Not all electric cars are
effcient.  It depends on a lot of different factors, including the
electronics, choice of battery and choice of motors.  Some take more
energy (from well to wheel) than a high effcieincy hybrid.  Some of that
energy is generated by burning coal;  a large part of the power used in
California comes from out of state coal powered plants.

So with that in mind, the Cal HOV lane access is granted to all electric
cars, regardless of the efficiency or power source.  That may help
develop electric car markets, and maybe that's the reason for the
automatic access.

Posted by kari on September 2, 2005, 5:47 am
 Does anyone know if the $ fee is annual or a one shot deal?


Posted by dbs__usenet on September 8, 2005, 1:24 am
It looks like a one-shot.  

I found out (after waiting 3 weeks for a response) that you can simply
drive to the FasTrak servcie center to get your special transponder.
Unfortunately, there's only one and it's near fishermans wharf in SF.

They had not processed my application and the credit card I gave them
expired, so I made the trip to SF.

It was Saturday, and Hybrid owners were coming in at the rate of 1 a
minute.  The average distance traveled by the folks that came in while
I was there was about 40 miles.

I know I wasted almost 2 gallons of gas driving in there and back, and
I suspect the others did too.   Only one of the hybrid owners actually
crosses a toll bridge with any regularity.  So one out of 5 would get
any value from the FasTrak device.

Now I have to wait for the DMV to process their part.

It's so ironic that getting an HOV sticker is causing thousands of
drivers to drive tens of thousands of miles that they don't need to.

Again, if you are in California, contact your State Senators and
Assemblymembers to let them know how messed up this is.

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