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Posted by Elmo P. Shagnasty on November 4, 2007, 11:55 pm
 bwilson4use@hotmail.com (Bob & Holly Wilson) wrote:

I have no need to get another new car right now.

Posted by Elmo P. Shagnasty on November 4, 2007, 11:59 pm
 bwilson4use@hotmail.com (Bob & Holly Wilson) wrote:

"Stuck with"?  We are a two car family (actually three; I still have my
Lexus, but it sits in the garage, unused) and have a great Honda van,
and my wife uses that from 8 to 5 M-F.  But outside of those hours, the
Prius is our main family car and we do everything with it.

The way my company car program works, I don't need to buy a personal
Prius.  It's incredibly cheap for me to use the company car for personal

If the two of us are gone at the same time, we use common sense
regarding who takes the Prius.  The longer trip wins every time.  Nights
and weekends, the van gets used only for short trips to the grocery
store, etc.  And that's not because the other car is a Prius; it's
because the company program is incredibly strong and it's incredibly
cheap for me to drive it for personal use.  So cheap, there's no way
buying one on my own makes any sense.

Posted by Bob & Holly Wilson on November 5, 2007, 12:28 am

Company cars are usually assigned to sales folks, or at least that had
been my experience in the past. Sounds like they have a clue. From Wiki:

". . . Several U.S. companies offer employees incentives. Bank of
America will reimburse $000 on the purchase of new hybrid vehicles to
full- and part-time associates working more than 20 hours per week.[81]
Google,[82] software company Hyperion Solutions,[83] and organic food
and drink producer Clif Bar & Co[81] offer employees a $000 credit
toward their purchase of a certain hybrid vehicles including the Prius.
Integrated Archive Systems, a Palo Alto IT company, offers a $0,000
subsidy toward the purchase of hybrid vehicles to full-time employees
employed more than one year.[81] Clothing companies Timberland and
Patagonia, law firm DLA Piper, non-profit American Jewish Committee,
software publisher Topics Entertainment, and research firm ABR, Inc. are
among companies offering eligible employees significant discounts on
certain hybrid vehicles including the Prius.[81] . . ."

In my case, business trips are re-embursed at a rate that only two trips
per week are enough to pay for my gas for the week.

I understand that and applaud the corporate policy. Any idea of how many
Prius your company provides?

I've formed my own company this past month and nothing would make me
happier than to do enough business to buy an NHW20 Prius for corporate
use. Of course in my case, that would me after-market products.

Good luck!
Bob Wilson

Posted by Elmo P. Shagnasty on November 5, 2007, 1:29 am
  bwilson4use@hotmail.com (Bob & Holly Wilson) wrote:

Actually, we have a large selection of cars and vans to choose
from--Toyota, GM, Ford, Chrysler, Volvo, Nissan.

I could have had a Malibu for the exact same price and deal as the
Prius.  Blech.  But then, it's not my car, so I don't really care one
way or the other.  But there's a difference between the Asian philosophy
of engineering a car and the American way.  The American way stinks, and
that shows every moment you're in one.

Sorry, GM.  Maybe you've changed things.  But I don't have enough time
in my life to go testing.

Yeah, I could have kept driving the personal car and gotten reimbursed.  
No big deal.

There are five or six that I can think of in my general area, just right
off the top of my head (but that's out of dozens of cars).  Of course,
none of them got the car and then three days later tore the dash apart
to install the Lockpick...

Posted by Bob & Holly Wilson on November 5, 2007, 7:57 am

. . .

The Department of Energy did an early fleet study of  hybrid electrics:


One of their earliest studies was in conjunction with:

"This vehicle was operated throughout the
State of Arizona by Bank One of Arizona's
courier pool. It was operated 24 hours a
day, six days a week, transferring documents
between branches and a central
processing center located in Phoenix on
city streets and urban freeways as well in
intrastate courier routes, with typical highspeed
round trips of 100 to 300 miles."

Is there a fleet manager who might have data about the different cars
that could be used to analyze total cost of ownership?

One of the interesting aspects of this study was the initial falloff in
monthly mileage in the first three months. Thereafter, the vehicle
mileage remains fairly constant. This has never been explained and still
has me puzzled.

One characteristic of fleet drivers, or so I've always assumed, is the
absence of motiivation to improve vehicle mileage performance. I suspect
fleet drivers are schedule driven, more than anything else, and to a
greater or lessor extent, isolated from vehicle operational costs. They
don't have a financial commitment to efficient operation compared to the
demands of schedule.

Bob Wilson

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