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Posted by Elmo P. Shagnasty on May 21, 2011, 7:51 pm
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So a gasser uses gas, and a Prius uses gas.


So any car that sources its energy solely from gasoline is a
gasser...but wait, the Prius sources its energy solely from gasoline....

Posted by Elmo P. Shagnasty on May 21, 2011, 7:54 pm
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That's a blanket statement that is a lie.

The electric power system provides power when (a) the computer decides
there's enough electric power available, and (b) when the computer
decides it would be more efficient.

It is not solely a decision of "using the gasoline engine would be
inefficient, therefore let's use electric power".  If there's no
electric power to be had, then the Hybrid Synergy Drive system uses the
gasoline engine.

Because, as we all know, the sole source of energy that's put into the
Hybrid Synergy Drive is gasoline.

So stop inventing things out of thin air, things you know not to be true.

You would say anything, even lie, if you found some truth about the
world that you found inconvenient.

Posted by bwilson4web on May 21, 2011, 9:03 pm

I was just over www.fueleconomy.gov and did a power search for all
vehicles with combined MPG greater than 40 MPG:

1) 99 MPG - 2011 Nissan Leaf electric
2) 87 MPG - 2011 smart fortwo electric cabriolet
3) 87 MPG - 2011 smart fortwo electric coupe
4) 50 MPG - 2011 Toyota Prius, hybrid
5) 42 MPG - 2011 Lexus CT 200h hybrid
6) 41 MPG - 2011 Honda Civic hybrid
7) 41 MPG - 2011 Honda Insight hybrid (AV-S7)
8) 41 MPG - 2011 Honda Insight hybrid (CVT)

Not a single gasser or diesel in the lot, just hybrids and electrics.
Awesome cars, the Prius leads the pack of hybrids and is only beaten
by today's electrics. In fact, the only way to see any gassers or
diesels in the EPA ranking is to choose "Hwy" only and even then, the
Prius hands the gassers and diesels their lunch.

Since we've been waiting for village idiot to volunteer which gasser
to compare to the Prius, I changed the configuration to sort by
highway mileage and found the following gassers:

2011 smart fortwo coupe, 1.0L
2011 Ford Fiesta SFE, 1.6L
2011 Hyundai Elantra (manual and auto), 1.8L
2011 Chevy Cruze Eco, 1.4L


2011 Prius, 1.8L

The only thing that makes sense is to match engine displacements, the
Hyundai Elantra versus Prius, and see what comes out:

48 vs 40 :: Prius 20% higher highway mileage
51 vs 29 :: Prius 75% higher city mileage
48.2(8 Prius) vs 30.8(9 Elantras) :: Prius 56% better user mileage
94 ft vs 96 ft :: Elantra 2% more passenger volume
22 ft vs 15 ft :: Prius 46% more cargo room
$2,120 vs $8,002 :: Elantra 19% cheaper with options to match Prius

So in four out of six metrics, the Prius is clearly superior to the
same sized engine gasser. It is only 2% smaller in passenger space but
clearly makes up for it being 46% larger in cargo. The Elantra has a
19% lower price.  Not shown, both cars are "midsize" and automatics.

So which car matches which kind of owner:

o changes cars annually - Elantra since purchase price is a key
determinant. However, this person also pays a high, new car,
depreciation cost of about $,000 per annual purchase.
o drives only a few miles always on the highway - Elantra since this
person doesn't drive much, they don't buy much gas so the fuel savings
are modest
o single and apartment - without much stuff, the smaller trunk is
o frightened of the future - those who are unable to cope with change
and new technology and at least one sociopath

o holds car for years (pays them off) - Prius since the new car
depreciation is amortized over a long interval and Prius resale value
has stayed high (and higher lately)
o city and suburban driving - Prius since the fuel savings are
substantial over the Elantra
o road warrior - again the Prius fuel savings are substantial so taxi
cab companies make out like bandits.
o homeowner with kids - Prius since the cargo space holds the stuff
kids need and a home owner needs to keep the property up.

Bob Wilson

Posted by Elmo P. Shagnasty on May 21, 2011, 9:22 pm
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Go on, wacko, keep pretending that the hybrids are not "gassers".  They
all use gasoline as their sole source of energy.

Posted by bwilson4web on May 21, 2011, 10:13 pm

I had pointed out:

As I was driving back, I realized that any Prius replacement at half
the rate of Elantras, would have negated the 'hybrid premium:"

$,000 - 1st new car depreciation
$,000 - 2nd new car depreciation

$,000 - 1st new car depreciation
$,000 - hybrid premium

This is entirely practical as the Prius engine has a fraction of the
wear and tear of gasser engines. The same is true for the transaxle
which is relatively free from engine power pulses that stress and
strain the gears.

The Prius is superior to the nearest gasser, the Elantra.

Bob Wilson

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