Thanks to our local troll, I found out about a recent thread asking
about buying a used Prius. Happily, I was able to add this note:
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Like most things: good, fast, cheap ... pick two of three. We have
two, a 2003 Prius (NHW11) bought used in 2005 with 49,000 miles and a
2010 Prius (ZVW30) bought new in 2009. You haven't mentioned budget
but let's go over the models and characteristics:
NHW11 (2001-03) - 1.5L sedan styled like a Ford Focus
With just under 90,000 miles added, we are getting a life-time average
of 52 MPG:
However, as the first Prius in North America, there were a lot of
lessons learned. Still there are good buys available IF you are
willing to turn a wrench and it so happens, I live in Huntsville and
do 'house calls' with scanners, maintenance manuals, and spare parts.
Recently, I helped Stephen B. get his 2002 Prius bought for $,000 at
auction back on the road again. He had two problems, inverter and
transaxle problems, but for only for $00 and some 'sweat equity,' he
is on the road and happens to have a spare, working traction battery.
NHW20 (2004-09) - 1.5L, hatchback
The 2004-05 had a latent weakness in some solder joints but there are
fixes available. The 2006-09 have no know weaknesses but I don't
follow them closely.
ZVW30 (2010-current) - larger, 1.8L Prius hatchback
Larger than the NHW20 with a more powerful transaxle, this is
depending upon how you count them, at least the 3d or 4th generation
Prius. It has a substantial number of improvements. I also used an
accelerometer to map the brake-pause problem and confirm it is fixed.
Used Prius Market
There is an NHW11 Prius in Birmingham with ~160,000 miles and a
problem that sounds like "safe home mode" for sale for $,500
including a free tow to Huntsville. It is on Craig's list and if you
decide to investigate, contact me and I can loan you a scanner to
check out the codes. Once we know what is broke, we can fix it.
Stephen had tested the car and did not detect the failed transaxle
Another friend is going back to school and selling his Prius. So back
in April, I mapped the completed sale prices of different Prius:
If you'd like more information, I'd recommend:
YahooGroup - "Prius_Technical_Stuff" that started in November 2000, 30
days after the first Prius in the USA. Check out the photos and files
YahooGroup - "Prius_Owners" a little less technical and more user
http://hiwaay.net/~bzwilson/prius/ - my niche in the net.
http://myhybridcar.com/ - great place for a mileage database and a
place I help moderate ... very anti-SPAM
http://ecomodder.com/ - for those who have a wider view of fuel
efficiency and 'do the experiment.' One of the places I happily donate
to support ... donations are optional and access if free.
http://www.priuschat.com/ - another source, a place to search and/or
USENET alt.autos.toyota.prius - unmoderated so some SPAM and trolls.
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It is too early to tell if anything will come but at least the
original poster has the facts and data to make an informed decision.
"Elmo P. Shagnasty" wrote in message
So that's what you claim a troll does? Share information?
No, a troll criticizes everyone in a group, constantly picking fights.
You'll know what they look like when you're old enough to shave.
. . .
Interesting, posting the facts and data pretty well ended the thread.
Truth is the bane of hybrid skeptics just as not citing or making any
reference to a troll's post drives them to distraction. <GRINS>