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Posted by mrv on April 18, 2009, 3:51 pm

Back when the redesigned 2004 Prius came out in fall 2003, I remember
commenting on how the new Prius looked like the existing Honda Insight
and the existing Toyota Prius had a baby that was bigger than either
of the parents...  So the current NHW20 Prius looks a lot like both
the older NHW11 Prius and the original Honda Insight.  So it's no
surprise to me that the newly redesigned Honda Insight looks a lot
like the Prius (especially since the aerodynamic designs are so

The current Honda Civic Hybrid II is able to move short distances
without turning on the gasoline engine.  The older HCH (pre 2006 or
so) had the same IMA setup as the previous Honda Insight.

Posted by Cathy F. on April 5, 2009, 1:21 am

Yes, going to be interesting...


Posted by residualselfimage1999 on April 13, 2009, 5:57 am
 On Mar 30, 10:36am, "rtc" <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]

This weekend I rented a 2009 Prius (Basic) to validate
what since now I have had only read about.

I drove the Prius on  suburban roads and for
a brief time I tested it out on a 6 lane super
highway.  At high speeds the cabin
was a slightly noisy .

The joystick-parking button drive mode gave me strangest feeling
of all the really big differences - rather than have a different
for each drive mode (R,N,D,P,B) the joystick position normally is
in only one position and moving the joystick in a particular direction
(up, down, right, left) selects a drive mode. However, in order for
that drive mode to be selected the driver must press the brake
pedal (like a manual transmission clutch) to change the drive
mode - and to park one needs to press a park button.  The motion
was not easy for me and there was no positive feel with
the joystick - so I found myself constantly looking at the
LED display to determine if I was in the correct drive mode.

Using the energy display, it was fairly easy to get the Prius to
average between 45 to 55 mpg.  However, the energy displays
position in the center of the car is somewhat distracting.
I would have preferred an *energy* display next to speedometer
display (one led for battery recharging, one led for gasoline engine
drive on, one led for eletric engine drive on, and a real-time
Led MPG gauge )

The Prius really shines when it comes to maximizing fuel
efficiency. The hints that I had read  on hypermiling with
the Prius came in handy - e.g.  tapping the brake
pedals before an anticipate stop helps initiate the battery
recharging earlier than if the computer were to initiate it. Also
getting the car up to speed quickly and then letting go of the
accelerator to cut off the gas engine and then slightly pressing
the accelerator to try to the electric motor to maintain the
speed on a downhill or flat road helps push up the MPGs.
However, for sudden short stop-and-go traffic and driving
uphill  - the Prius mpg suffered  (also  I've read that the
Prius MPG also suffers when it is really cold. ISTM the
Prius can get over 50 mpg when it is driven in warm dry
weather over relatively flat roads over long distances
with few stops ).  If one is driving in very agressive highway
environment or short trips that are have a great deal of
stop and go traffic - it would be difficult for a driver to
modify their driving to get the optimum fuel efficiency
from the 2009 Prius.

I found the fuel gauge is not a linear indicator of how much
fuel is left in the Prius. The Prius is suppose to have a 11.9 gallon
fuel *bladder" ; when the Prius is down to its last 3 gallons a
low fuel gauge warning light is suppose to go on. The fuel gauge
has 10 led segments when it was down to three led segments
I filled it with 3 gallons - but it only raised the fuel gauge to
4 led segments - so then I filled it with 3 more gallons which
then increase the fuel gauge setting to 10 led segments
(initially when I got car from the rental office - the fuel gauge
was at five led segments (1/2 way full marker) .

The sunlight had a tendency to washout the LCD screen
it would have been easier to read if the LCD screen had some
sun visor over top of it.

Not all of the buttons and dials on the dashboard and on the steering
don't light up (at night) making them harder to find them in the
dark. . The volume
dial and the seek button are too close to each other.

If the back of front passenger seat was shorter or if there was
more distant between the backseat and the front passenger seat
one might be able to take off the front passenger seat head rest
and push the back of the front passenger seat all the way down
(like the honda fit) and fit a very long object in the passenger
With the front passenger seat pushed forward all the way and the
rear seats folded down - the maximum cargo length is abou 6.25 feet.
maximum cargo height is about 2.4 feet and the maximum cargo
width is from 3.25 to 4.feet.

The Prius isn't a very fast car - so merging into a superhighway
is its weakest trait.

I've also read that the Prius' low rolling friction
tires don't perform that well in rain and snow....

Lastly, the Prius as well as probably all non SUV hybrids
doesn't have any towing capacity.  The total weight of the
driver, passengers, and cargo in the Prius (Vehicle Capacity
Weight) is not suppose to be over 810 pounds.

Posted by Michelle Steiner on April 13, 2009, 6:24 am
 In article
 residualselfimage1999@gmail.com wrote:

Considering that there is only one drive mode, you're always in the
correct drive mode.  "B" is not a drive mode, and shouldn't be used
except when driving on a long downhill.  It took me less than an hour
for that selector to become second nature.

One can change the display to something else, or even turn it off

That's coming with the 2010 model.  In fact, the center display screen
will be gone completely unless you have the GPS navigation package.

True, but it still gets better mileage under those conditions than other
cars do, because their mileage suffers as well.

As do all internal-combustion engines.

True, but the same is also true of other cars.

That's true of all gas gauges, but the bladder makes it more so with the
Prius; the bladder is in only the US versions of the car, BTW.

The bladder will be gone with the 2010 model.

That's because the LCD screen is polarized for left-hand drive.  It's
been a sore point for many drivers who have right-and drive models.

Actually, all the ones on the steering wheel do, but they're not bright
enough.  The ones on the dash that don't light up are rarely used.

I've never had a problem with that; the car can go up to over 100 MPH,
and I've found acceleration to be very brisk.  It's not a muscle car,
but it is peppy enough to not have any merge problems.  I'm up to
highway speed by the time I reach the end of the onramp, before I am in
the merge lane.

It's now time for healing, and for fixing the damage the GOP did to America.

Posted by richard on April 13, 2009, 6:28 am

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