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Posted by HarryS on March 27, 2005, 2:53 am
More and more people are now on the Hybrid band wagon especially now when
gas is high.  The tree huggers like them and say they are good for the
environment.  The commuters like them for a tax break and some states allow
them in the HOV lane with a single passenger.  People are really saving the
environment and spending way less on gas.

Well there is a flipside, you may get 45 mpg and produce less ozone
pollution, but now the rest of the story.  My brother-in-law is a GM
mechanic and a damn good one too.  He just shakes his head at the hybrids
and says junk.  What no one is telling the consumer the average battery life
for the hybrids is about 5 years give or take a year.  He has already
replaced the battery units on several that were just 4 years old and out of

When the owner got the bill they were amazed at the costs of around $000.00
all that money they saved in gas was lost and if you figure it up they were
in the hole.  Then the batteries are hazardous waste so you are not
polluting the air, but there is a potential of polluting the soil if not
handled correctly.  At about the same time the voltage regulator to the
drive train needs some maintenance and there is another $00.00.  Needless
to say anything about the drive train for another $00.00.  Then there are
the breaks, rotors for another $00.00 for grand total of $000.

I keep every piece of equipment's maintenance costs on a spread sheet and my
wife's 94 shadow $390.00 to date.  My old CJ which I had for almost 20
years $324.00 to maintain, my 98 RAM is at $548.00 new tyranny at 120,000,
well you get the picture.

At 4 to 5 years on a hybrid you are looking at dishing out $000.00 not
including all the money already spent on general maintenance.  If you
compare the hybrids to any other non-hybrid of about the same size and half
the MPG the non-hybrid is cheaper to run and maintain.

HarryS My 2

Posted by Fred on March 27, 2005, 3:08 am
The Toyota Hybrid System (including batteries) is warrantied for 8 years /
100,000 miles.  Obviously Toyota trusts the batteries to last at least that
long.  If they fail sooner, Toyota foots the bill. . .  I honestly don't
expect to own the car much longer than that - a large chunk of the Prius
demographic is probably "early adopters" that will be shopping long before
the 8-year mark.

As for routine maintenance - I'm hitting 17,000 miles, which is about time
for my third oil change.  Paid for by the dealership (this is the last free
one).  So, in my first year of ownership, maintenance costs have amounted to
a few wiper blades.  I see nothing in this vehicle that will require regular
maintenance expense beyond any other car - and it should come out less since
oil changes are recommended at 5,000 miles instead of 3,000.

Posted by richard schumacher on March 27, 2005, 3:42 am

Remarkable that "several" Toyota owners would have taken their four year
old Priuses to the same GM mechanic.  If that is true then those owners
were very confused: the warranty period on the traction battery in most
of the US is 8 years/100,000 miles, and 10 years/150,000 miles in
California, and they would have got them replaced for free at any Toyota

Posted by Bill on March 27, 2005, 3:54 am

I've got $400.00 on my GM card and bought a Prius because GM was too stupid
to produce a clean car with good mileage and reliability.  The only fact
here is that Harry's story isn't true.

Posted by dbs__usenet on March 27, 2005, 4:35 am
So far, 100% on target!  Congrats!

Does anyone think harry01@comcast.net expects us to belive this?
It's so full of outright lies that it boggles the mind.  GM does not
have Toyota parts.  The battery warranty is MUCH longer than 4 years.
Battery failures are rare in Toyota hybrids.

Now Harry's brother may be talking about a secret GM hybrid that's a
piece of junk, but you'd think he would have said so.

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