Posted by HarryS on March 27, 2005, 11:27 am
HarryS My 2¢
| > More and more people are now on the Hybrid band wagon especially now
| > gas is high. The tree huggers like them and say they are good for the
| > environment. The commuters like them for a tax break and some states
| > them in the HOV lane with a single passenger. People are really saving
| > environment and spending way less on gas.
| So far, 100% on target! Congrats!
| > Well there is a flipside, you may get 45 mpg and produce less ozone
| > pollution, but now the rest of the story. My brother-in-law is a GM
| > mechanic and a damn good one too. He just shakes his head at the
| > and says junk. What no one is telling the consumer the average battery
| > for the hybrids is about 5 years give or take a year. He has already
| > replaced the battery units on several that were just 4 years old and out
| > warranty.
| Does anyone think firstname.lastname@example.org expects us to belive this?
| It's so full of outright lies that it boggles the mind. GM does not
| have Toyota parts. The battery warranty is MUCH longer than 4 years.
| Battery failures are rare in Toyota hybrids.
Well you are wrong I live 6 miles from a GM/Toyota dealer they have both
makes on the lot open mouth insert foot.
| Now Harry's brother may be talking about a secret GM hybrid that's a
| piece of junk, but you'd think he would have said so.
He wirks at the dealer ship and was sent to Toyota factory training so bite
Posted by Earle Jones on April 3, 2005, 12:54 am
Are you telling us that GM is sending its technicians to Toyota for
training? I could certainly believe that. As you probably don't
know, Ford licenses its hybrid drive for the Escape from Toyota.
Arrangements like that usually include some tech training.
Posted by Michelle Steiner on April 22, 2005, 7:25 pm
Well, actually, Ford developed its technology independently from Toyota,
but some of that stuff it developed infringes on Toyota's patents, so to
protect itself from legal problems, it licensed the patent.
Stop Mad Cowboy Disease: Impeach the son of a Bush.
Posted by Michael Pardee on April 22, 2005, 10:11 pm
That is pretty common. Legend has it that Edison's light bulb patent beat
out a nearly identical rival application by mere hours. If Ford was working
along the same lines as Toyota and lost the race to the patent office, the
situation you describe would be the outcome. Ford could still use their own
parts but would have to buy the license from Toyota. It sure beats not being
in the market at all! (Are you listening, GM?)
Posted by dbs__usenet on April 24, 2005, 8:18 am
I've looked at the Ford hybrid literature. It shares the Toyota
integrated CVT/generators, and basic design of a akinson cycle engine +
small NiMH batt pack + integrated CVT/motor/generator. They've run the
same things electrically as the Prius, and used the same techniques.
There's no evidence that I've seen that Ford was working on a hybrid
using this technology prior to the Prius introduction in 1999. It might
have been in some secret lab.
I don't see any major differences, and I don't think the Escape is any
better than the Toyota effort (the Lexus mini-SUV).
I don't doubt the clam that they (Ford) filed thousands of patents on
their new model, but filing for and granting patents are two different
My opinion (read Guess) is that Ford bought the rights to the technology
after Toyota proved it viable and "reinvented" a large portion of it so
they would not be accused of just reselling Japaneses technology.
I am quite likely wrong.