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Posted by Was Istoben on April 20, 2009, 3:48 pm
Appearing on ABC's This Week, House Minority Leader John Boehner (R-OH) said
the following when George Stephanopoulos asked what the GOP's position is on
carbon emissions: "George, the idea that carbon dioxide is a carcinogen that
is harmful to our environment is almost comical. Every time we exhale, we
exhale carbon dioxide. Every cow in the world, you know, when they do what
they do, you've got more carbon dioxide."


Posted by David T. Johnson on April 20, 2009, 4:35 pm
Was Istoben wrote:

The CO2-causes-global-warming idea was seized by politicians many years
ago.  Generally, the increase of CO2 gas concentration in the atmosphere
is supposed to result in an increase of some sort of 'greenhouse gas'
thermal shield to prevent heat from being radiated into space thereby
resulting in an accumulation of heat on Planet Earth.  Up until 2007,
the politicians could point to gradually warming surface temperatures as
support for the CO2-concentration-increasing-thermal-barrier idea.
Unfortunately, the earth's temperature is mostly affected by heat output
from the sun...and that has begun a decline that no one understands but
may be leading to another mini ice age that could last for two hundred
years or so.  Nothing the politicians do wrt carbon dioxide 'emissions'
will have the slightest effect on atmospheric carbon dioxide
concentration or global temperatures but it might have some sort of
beneficial effect on conservation of petroleum which would allow the
supplies to last further through an upcoming period of colder

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Posted by Was Istoben on April 20, 2009, 5:30 pm

Thank you.  You are every bit as knowledgeable on this topic as Boehner.

You can learn more about this topic by studying the latest consensus report
from real climate scientists using peer reviewed scientific method here:


Posted by David T. Johnson on April 20, 2009, 6:55 pm
 Was Istoben wrote:

Those 'real climate scientists' at IPCC don't seem any more open-minded
than you do nor do they appear to be scientists.  For example, they
don't appear to recognize the importance of the sun to earth's climate
and the effect of a decline in solar output on that climate.  We are
currently at the beginning of an unprecedented decline in solar output
that is just starting to impact the climate and yet your 'real climate
scientists' are absolutely blind to the onrushing train in their tunnel.
  Even NASA has begun to belatedly recognize the implications:


As far as 'greenhouse gases' the biggest 'greenhouse gase' in the
atmosphere is not carbon dioxide, but water, and there is already more
than enough of both water and carbon dioxide in the atmosphere to block,
within a few hundred meters of the ground, all of the infrared radiation
they are capable of blocking.  If you are truly interested in global
climate, rather than just the political topic of 'carbon emissions
caps,' you need to acquire some understanding of the basic physics of
electromagnetic radiation, absorption by gases, and gas kinetics in
order to develop a realistic understanding of what is even meant by
'greenhouse gas.'  Then start to consider the earth's climate as a
massive, complex and dynamic engine of global water movement driven by
external solar heat input rather than as a warm rock surrounded by a
thermal gas barrier.  Most of the people, such as yourself, who want to
discuss climate change in forums like this, seem to have no technical
education and are more interested in the political issues.

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Posted by Was Istoben on April 20, 2009, 7:41 pm

I am an electrical engineer.  The link I sent you is in fact the consensus
finding, to date, of climate scientist from many countries.  Their science
is subject to peer review.  If you knew anything at all about the scientific
method you would appreciate their work.

Had you actually taken the link and read the report you would know that it
is scientific, not political.  Moreover, you would know it addresses the
role played by water vapor and the other gases in our atmosphere.  It
addresses the sun's radiation.

You must somehow come to understand that we have evolved and adapted to the
climate and land mass afforded by the mix of gasses in our atmosphere.  Once
you do you will realize we are changing that mix and, as a consequence the
atmosphere will no longer be suitable for some creatures and the habitable
land mass will shrink in the face of our burgeoning population.

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