Posted by stromboli on July 13, 2006, 8:26 pm
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>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I commute to work 52 miles one way and I take the secondary roads
>>>>> and drive as close to 40 MPH has possible all the way. Ever since
>>>>> I changed my route to work by staying off the interstate and
>>>>> slowing down I'm consistently getting 63 MPG and easily 600 miles
>>>>> per tank.
>>>>>
>>>>> Slow down and drive 40 MPH if you want higher MPG and more miles
>>>>> per tank.
>>>>
>>>> How many people on 2-lane roads where passing is difficult get POed
>>>> at you when they're stuck behind a car going 40 on a 55 road?
>>>>
>>>> Cathy
>>>>>
>>> Ah yes, leveraging one's fuel economy. When this happens, they are
>>> saving gas too. Those who get POed are simply too stupid to care
>>> about.
>>
>> I want to get from point A to point B, without being held up by the
>> slow-poke in front of me - no matter how virtuous his/her motives.
>> Ever notice how long of a line forms behind someone going 45-ish on a
>> 2-lane road where safe passing places are few & far between? That
>> alone shows that most people have no desire to go 40 mph on a 55
>> road.
>>
>> Cathy
>>
> Honestly, Cathy, I was thinking in terms of driving the speed limit.
> I drive 55 when the speed limit is 55 and occasionally cause these
> long lines. I don't feel sorry for those behind me. I've met a few
> patrol cars under these circumstances so perhaps I've even saved one a
> speeding ticket. Only 4-lane divided highways have higher speed
> limits in MN. Although I drive 55 on these too, the other cars are
> free to pass in the left lane. On occasion I've found myself in the
> right lane in a line of other drivers who have also elected to drive
> 55.
>
> I hear people complain about the high cost of fuel , blaming someone
> else for gouging them. These selfish people will be the last to admit
> that they are empowered to lower that price through conservation.
> There is something unfair about my paying more for gas because they
> are wasting it.
>
What an arrogant egotistical response. Your moral dictates are neither
profound nor are they responsible. If you decide to go 40mph in a 55mph
zone and someone else prefers to go faster your only 'moral high-ground'
option is to pull over if they are unable to pass. Period. In a free
America you do not have the moral (and probably legal) right to enforce
your physical control over another. Go 10mph if you so choose but stay
out of the way of others attempting to exercise their free choice to get
where they're going. If they choose to exceed the limit that's between
them and the law - not you.
peace
Posted by Bill on July 13, 2006, 8:47 pm
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>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I commute to work 52 miles one way and I take the secondary roads
>>>>>> and drive as close to 40 MPH has possible all the way. Ever since
>>>>>> I changed my route to work by staying off the interstate and
>>>>>> slowing down I'm consistently getting 63 MPG and easily 600 miles
>>>>>> per tank.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Slow down and drive 40 MPH if you want higher MPG and more miles
>>>>>> per tank.
>>>>>
>>>>> How many people on 2-lane roads where passing is difficult get POed
>>>>> at you when they're stuck behind a car going 40 on a 55 road?
>>>>>
>>>>> Cathy
>>>>>>
>>>> Ah yes, leveraging one's fuel economy. When this happens, they are
>>>> saving gas too. Those who get POed are simply too stupid to care
>>>> about.
>>>
>>> I want to get from point A to point B, without being held up by the
>>> slow-poke in front of me - no matter how virtuous his/her motives.
>>> Ever notice how long of a line forms behind someone going 45-ish on a
>>> 2-lane road where safe passing places are few & far between? That
>>> alone shows that most people have no desire to go 40 mph on a 55
>>> road.
>>>
>>> Cathy
>>>
>> Honestly, Cathy, I was thinking in terms of driving the speed limit.
>> I drive 55 when the speed limit is 55 and occasionally cause these
>> long lines. I don't feel sorry for those behind me. I've met a few
>> patrol cars under these circumstances so perhaps I've even saved one a
>> speeding ticket. Only 4-lane divided highways have higher speed
>> limits in MN. Although I drive 55 on these too, the other cars are
>> free to pass in the left lane. On occasion I've found myself in the
>> right lane in a line of other drivers who have also elected to drive
>> 55.
>>
>> I hear people complain about the high cost of fuel , blaming someone
>> else for gouging them. These selfish people will be the last to admit
>> that they are empowered to lower that price through conservation.
>> There is something unfair about my paying more for gas because they
>> are wasting it.
>>
> What an arrogant egotistical response. Your moral dictates are neither
> profound nor are they responsible. If you decide to go 40mph in a 55mph
> zone and someone else prefers to go faster your only 'moral high-ground'
> option is to pull over if they are unable to pass. Period. In a free
> America you do not have the moral (and probably legal) right to enforce
> your physical control over another. Go 10mph if you so choose but stay
> out of the way of others attempting to exercise their free choice to get
> where they're going. If they choose to exceed the limit that's between
> them and the law - not you.
> peace
Arrogant, egotistical response? You didn't even read it did you? It
started with "Honestly, Cathy, I was thinking in terms of driving the speed
limit.", a statement that renders your harsh retort nonsense. Care to try
again? Read it, and respond without insult. Besides being impolite,
insulting people in the anonymity of Usenet is cowardly.
Posted by stromboli on July 14, 2006, 10:07 pm
>
>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I commute to work 52 miles one way and I take the secondary
>>>>>>> roads and drive as close to 40 MPH has possible all the way.
>>>>>>> Ever since I changed my route to work by staying off the
>>>>>>> interstate and slowing down I'm consistently getting 63 MPG and
>>>>>>> easily 600 miles per tank.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Slow down and drive 40 MPH if you want higher MPG and more miles
>>>>>>> per tank.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How many people on 2-lane roads where passing is difficult get
>>>>>> POed at you when they're stuck behind a car going 40 on a 55
>>>>>> road?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cathy
>>>>>>>
>>>>> Ah yes, leveraging one's fuel economy. When this happens, they
>>>>> are saving gas too. Those who get POed are simply too stupid to
>>>>> care about.
>>>>
>>>> I want to get from point A to point B, without being held up by the
>>>> slow-poke in front of me - no matter how virtuous his/her motives.
>>>> Ever notice how long of a line forms behind someone going 45-ish on
>>>> a 2-lane road where safe passing places are few & far between?
>>>> That alone shows that most people have no desire to go 40 mph on a
>>>> 55 road.
>>>>
>>>> Cathy
>>>>
>>> Honestly, Cathy, I was thinking in terms of driving the speed limit.
>>> I drive 55 when the speed limit is 55 and occasionally cause these
>>> long lines. I don't feel sorry for those behind me. I've met a few
>>> patrol cars under these circumstances so perhaps I've even saved one
>>> a speeding ticket. Only 4-lane divided highways have higher speed
>>> limits in MN. Although I drive 55 on these too, the other cars are
>>> free to pass in the left lane. On occasion I've found myself in the
>>> right lane in a line of other drivers who have also elected to drive
>>> 55.
>>>
>>> I hear people complain about the high cost of fuel , blaming someone
>>> else for gouging them. These selfish people will be the last to
>>> admit that they are empowered to lower that price through
>>> conservation. There is something unfair about my paying more for gas
>>> because they are wasting it.
>>>
>> What an arrogant egotistical response. Your moral dictates are
>> neither profound nor are they responsible. If you decide to go 40mph
>> in a 55mph zone and someone else prefers to go faster your only
>> 'moral high-ground' option is to pull over if they are unable to
>> pass. Period. In a free America you do not have the moral (and
>> probably legal) right to enforce your physical control over another.
>> Go 10mph if you so choose but stay out of the way of others
>> attempting to exercise their free choice to get where they're going.
>> If they choose to exceed the limit that's between them and the law -
>> not you. peace
> Arrogant, egotistical response? You didn't even read it did you? It
> started with "Honestly, Cathy, I was thinking in terms of driving the
> speed limit.", a statement that renders your harsh retort nonsense.
> Care to try again? Read it, and respond without insult. Besides
> being impolite, insulting people in the anonymity of Usenet is
> cowardly.
>
I suppose that's meant to get a rise out of me but I've already said
enough. Judge me as you please. Curious why you think that I even know
how to read. . .
peace
Posted by Dave Mundt on July 12, 2006, 3:12 am
wrote:
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>>>
>>>>
>>>> I commute to work 52 miles one way and I take the secondary roads and
>>>> drive as close to 40 MPH has possible all the way. Ever since I changed
>>>> my route to work by staying off the interstate and slowing down I'm
>>>> consistently getting 63 MPG and easily 600 miles per tank.
>>>>
>>>> Slow down and drive 40 MPH if you want higher MPG and more miles per
>>>> tank.
>>>
>>> How many people on 2-lane roads where passing is difficult get POed at
>>> you when they're stuck behind a car going 40 on a 55 road?
>>>
>>> Cathy
>>>>
>> Ah yes, leveraging one's fuel economy. When this happens, they are saving
>> gas too. Those who get POed are simply too stupid to care about.
>I want to get from point A to point B, without being held up by the
>slow-poke in front of me - no matter how virtuous his/her motives. Ever
>notice how long of a line forms behind someone going 45-ish on a 2-lane road
>where safe passing places are few & far between? That alone shows that most
>people have no desire to go 40 mph on a 55 road.
>Cathy
>I
Actually, it has been my observation that for MOST Americans,
it is unacceptably slow to drive at the legal posted speed limit. I
tend to drive close to it, and am continually getting blasted around
by folks that cannot stand to go less than 10 MPH to 15 MPH OVER the
posted speed limit.
Now, if folks want to do that on the open road, great...go
for it. However, what torques me off is that most American drivers
seem to think that it is JUST as appropriate to ignore the speed limit
when driving through congested construction zones, backed up traffic
and on rain-slick, twisty roads. How stupid is THAT?
(and is THAT enough gasoline for the flame war? I think so
*smile*).
Regards
Dave Mundt
Posted by Michael Pardee on July 12, 2006, 4:21 am
> Actually, it has been my observation that for MOST Americans,
> it is unacceptably slow to drive at the legal posted speed limit. I
> tend to drive close to it, and am continually getting blasted around
> by folks that cannot stand to go less than 10 MPH to 15 MPH OVER the
> posted speed limit.
> Now, if folks want to do that on the open road, great...go
> for it. However, what torques me off is that most American drivers
> seem to think that it is JUST as appropriate to ignore the speed limit
> when driving through congested construction zones, backed up traffic
> and on rain-slick, twisty roads. How stupid is THAT?
> (and is THAT enough gasoline for the flame war? I think so
> *smile*).
> Regards
> Dave Mundt
I'm also a law-abider; I believe that (for the most part) speeding is a
fool's game. However, I've deliberately sped three times in recent years...
1) Two 12 hour legs each way while driving from Arizona to a little north of
Portland for vacation. 3 mph meant a 1/2 hour difference when it mattered
most, and breaking the trip into three 8 hr legs would have used two extra
days we couldn't afford.
2) My wife got the word that if she wanted to say goodbye to her mother
she'd better get to the hospital *fast* - I knew the extra speed wouldn't
make a big difference, but there are some prices too high to pay
3) Last week we had a total power loss to a communication site we share with
two telecom carriers - hundreds of thousands of dollars in equipment
depended on making the two hour trip as quickly as possible. (The propane
supplier had not made the delivery the week before - we got power back in
time to save the batteries and keep the building temperature below 100
degrees. Whew!)
My point is that each of us will encounter drivers who have problems of
their own - they have had word their loved one is hospitalized, they just
had an argument, they are out of their mind with meth, they are a new
driver, they stole the car, they are trying to get a woman in labor to the
hospital. It doesn't matter at all whether they are good people or evil
people. We don't control other cars; we control the car we drive. Let's do
that well.
Mike
>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I commute to work 52 miles one way and I take the secondary roads
>>>>> and drive as close to 40 MPH has possible all the way. Ever since
>>>>> I changed my route to work by staying off the interstate and
>>>>> slowing down I'm consistently getting 63 MPG and easily 600 miles
>>>>> per tank.
>>>>>
>>>>> Slow down and drive 40 MPH if you want higher MPG and more miles
>>>>> per tank.
>>>>
>>>> How many people on 2-lane roads where passing is difficult get POed
>>>> at you when they're stuck behind a car going 40 on a 55 road?
>>>>
>>>> Cathy
>>>>>
>>> Ah yes, leveraging one's fuel economy. When this happens, they are
>>> saving gas too. Those who get POed are simply too stupid to care
>>> about.
>>
>> I want to get from point A to point B, without being held up by the
>> slow-poke in front of me - no matter how virtuous his/her motives.
>> Ever notice how long of a line forms behind someone going 45-ish on a
>> 2-lane road where safe passing places are few & far between? That
>> alone shows that most people have no desire to go 40 mph on a 55
>> road.
>>
>> Cathy
>>
> Honestly, Cathy, I was thinking in terms of driving the speed limit.
> I drive 55 when the speed limit is 55 and occasionally cause these
> long lines. I don't feel sorry for those behind me. I've met a few
> patrol cars under these circumstances so perhaps I've even saved one a
> speeding ticket. Only 4-lane divided highways have higher speed
> limits in MN. Although I drive 55 on these too, the other cars are
> free to pass in the left lane. On occasion I've found myself in the
> right lane in a line of other drivers who have also elected to drive
> 55.
>
> I hear people complain about the high cost of fuel , blaming someone
> else for gouging them. These selfish people will be the last to admit
> that they are empowered to lower that price through conservation.
> There is something unfair about my paying more for gas because they
> are wasting it.
>