Posted by Elmo P. Shagnasty on May 14, 2008, 3:17 pm
> > this is a gasoline car, people. The only form of energy that you, the
> > owner, put into the car is gasoline. Period. It is not an electric
> > car. Never was, never will be.
> >
>
> Your words Elmo, not mine. The car generates it's own energy on
> deceleration (actually claws back some of the energy used for acceleration)
> and converts this to electrical energy stored in a battery. So, whilst what
> you say is true, it is an economical truth in that it doesn't tell the whole
> story.
It doesn't have to tell the whole story.
How the system manages the energy that's put into it, is immaterial.
It's a gasoline car that uses advanced systems to manage the energy
better than other gasoline cars.
Regardless, the sole source of energy for the Prius is gasoline. It's a
gasoline car.
Posted by Chas Gill on May 14, 2008, 6:42 pm
>> > this is a gasoline car, people. The only form of energy that you, the
>> > owner, put into the car is gasoline. Period. It is not an electric
>> > car. Never was, never will be.
>> >
>>
>> Your words Elmo, not mine. The car generates it's own energy on
>> deceleration (actually claws back some of the energy used for
>> acceleration)
>> and converts this to electrical energy stored in a battery. So, whilst
>> what
>> you say is true, it is an economical truth in that it doesn't tell the
>> whole
>> story.
> It doesn't have to tell the whole story.
> How the system manages the energy that's put into it, is immaterial.
> It's a gasoline car that uses advanced systems to manage the energy
> better than other gasoline cars.
> Regardless, the sole source of energy for the Prius is gasoline. It's a
> gasoline car.
And your point is...................?
Posted by bobbi on May 14, 2008, 8:41 pm
On Wed, 14 May 2008 19:42:30 +0100, "Chas Gill"
>>
>>> > this is a gasoline car, people. The only form of energy that you, the
>>> > owner, put into the car is gasoline. Period. It is not an electric
>>> > car. Never was, never will be.
>>> >
>>>
>>> Your words Elmo, not mine. The car generates it's own energy on
>>> deceleration (actually claws back some of the energy used for
>>> acceleration)
>>> and converts this to electrical energy stored in a battery. So, whilst
>>> what
>>> you say is true, it is an economical truth in that it doesn't tell the
>>> whole
>>> story.
>>
>> It doesn't have to tell the whole story.
>>
>> How the system manages the energy that's put into it, is immaterial.
>> It's a gasoline car that uses advanced systems to manage the energy
>> better than other gasoline cars.
>>
>> Regardless, the sole source of energy for the Prius is gasoline. It's a
>> gasoline car.
>>
>And your point is...................?
On top of his troll head, as usual...
Posted by richard schumacher on May 27, 2008, 6:10 pm
> 2. Should I take the extended Toyota warranty? $300 to bring the 36,000 to
> 50,000 for 5 years?
No, it's a waste of money. See for example Consumer Report's
reliability guide. If you absolutely have to have one you can get it
anytime in the first 36,000 miles/36 months for $000. See
http://www.priuschat.com
I get more "peace of mind" keeping that money in the bank.
> 3. Any driving tips for a newbie? I'm pretty aware of my habits and I want
> to maximize MPG.
The most effective ways of improving MPGs are to drive right and keep
the tires inflated:
- Don't speed. As with any car MPGs fall off fast above 65 MPH or so.
- Accelerate briskly (this makes most efficient use of the engine)
- Gliding (no arrows on the "Energy" display) is better than coasting
- Coasting is better than braking
- Braking is better than stopping
- Check tire pressures at least monthly. Also, many people inflate the
original tires to 42/40 PSI front/rear because it noticeably improves
MPGs.
> 4. Is the EV switch a good idea?
Not really. In the US it will void the warranty and for most drivers
will not noticeably improve MPGs.
> 5. Is it possible to simply charge the batteries with a battery charger
> thereby - using the ICE less?
We must be clear here. There are two battery systems:
- 12V used for booting up the computers and running certain fluid pumps
when you first turn the car ON
- 201V traction battery which is used for load leveling and running the
electric drive motors.
The 12V battery is easily accessible (jump point under the hood) for
external charging, but it contains so little energy that doing this will
not noticeably increase MPGs. The 201V traction battery is very much
and very deliberately *not* easily accessible. You can pay an
aftermarket company about $0,000 to convert a Prius into a plugin, but
this also voids the warranty.
Posted by Earle Jones on June 11, 2008, 12:28 am
> Hi Everyone,
> I've been lurking for awhile and just placed my order for a new Prius
> Package #2. I have a few question
>
> 1. I paid $3,900 - sticker here in the Northeast. Is this typical in
> today's market? I believe so.
> 2. Should I take the extended Toyota warranty? $300 to bring the 36,000 to
> 50,000 for 5 years?
*
The 'platinum' extended warranty (7 years and 100,000 miles) is
available for about $,000 from Troy Dietrich at Greenfield Toyota
(Michigan). Remember that you must buy this warranty before you have
36,000 miles on the car. The warranty is from Toyota and is good at any
Toyota dealer. Don't buy any third-party warranty!
Here is a letter I received from Troy Dietrich in October of '06:
***
Here is all the basic info:
I am currently offering the Toyota Platinum 7 yr / 100,000 mile Extra
Care plan w/ $ deductible for $90.00 on the Prius, which is the
longest plan available in both mileage and years.
Most of the details on the Extra Care plans can be found directly at
their website at the following link, including all the various terms and
options available, just let me know if you would like a quote on a
different plan.
http://www.toyotafinancial.com/pyv/extended_service_coverage/n_index.html
Here are the purchase instructions if / when you decide to purchase.
I would need you to mail me an original signed letter indicating the
exact current mileage on your vehicle, and a copy of your current
registration.(If you are in a state where you don't get your state
registration right away, I can also use a copy of the bill of sale,
purchase contract, or some other official document which shows the
owners name and address, along with the vehicles VIN)
Sorry, I know its a little inconvenient, but its the only way we could
come up to cover ourselves on the mileage and VIN verification. After I
receive your letter, I can call you for credit card info, if that's how
you choose to pay, or you can include a check, money order, or the
credit card info with it. Also, make sure that the registration copy is
legible (I have gotten a couple of them recently that I couldn't read or
had part of the VIN chopped off on the copy).
Mail to:
Toyota of Greenfield
12 Olive Street
Greenfield, MA 01301
Attn: Troy Dietrich
Please call or email me if you think of any more questions. The phone
number for Toyota of Greenfield is (413) 772-0231...or my new direct
line is (413) 772-0989.
Thanks,
Troy
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> > owner, put into the car is gasoline. Period. It is not an electric
> > car. Never was, never will be.
> >
>
> Your words Elmo, not mine. The car generates it's own energy on
> deceleration (actually claws back some of the energy used for acceleration)
> and converts this to electrical energy stored in a battery. So, whilst what
> you say is true, it is an economical truth in that it doesn't tell the whole
> story.