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Posted by Bill on November 16, 2006, 5:36 pm

There was no talk of politics with regard to the ANWR until you made a
statement about avoiding politics.  Apparently some political aspect of
drilling in the ANWR was on your mind; I don't know.

What you have here, with your discussion of "political footballs" and
"hoorah" is the perfect example of self-fulfilling prophecy.  You, and you
alone are experiencing the political component.


Posted by Michael Pardee on November 16, 2006, 8:06 pm

Actually, I never addressed ANWR, certainly not in this thread. I have no
opinion one way or the other on it.

By my count this is the thirty-first post in this thread. Look at the
subject line. Moe's original post was completely apolitical, as was MRV's
humourous post. The rest were generated from mark_digital's mention of a
"Democrat in the White House" and corazonw3's follow-up about voting
Republican. Sounds political to me. In your November eighth post you
acknowledge the shift with "Not all politics are off-topic," referring to
the partisan posts but expanding into the environmental aspects in terms of
the results of the election.

I agree with the view that politics is a corrosive force within this forum.
You are free to disagree if you wish. Either way, I don't see this moving
forward, so I leave the last word to you.


Posted by Michelle Steiner on November 16, 2006, 8:13 pm

ANWR is a political matter from the outset.

Support the troops:  Bring them home ASAP.

Posted by Bill on November 16, 2006, 8:37 pm

Yes, and so is health care, food, clean water... each and every aspect of
our lives has a political component.

Political Statement:  The Republicans are fighting the creation of a
national health care system.

Non-political statement:  A recent study concludes the U.S. pays more for
health care than do nations who have a national health care system.

So yes, ANWR is a political matter.  Some Republicans favor drilling in the
ANWR.  Some Democrats favor drilling in the ANWR.  Some Republicans favor
not drilling in the ANWR.  Some Democrats favor not drilling in the ANWR.
These facts in no way eliminates it's many non-political realities.

The last one with oil wins.  Right now, that is probably as good a reason
for purchasing a Prius as any other, whether or not it's Mike's reason.

Posted by Bill on November 15, 2006, 6:28 pm


Mark, the discrepancy is very easy to explain.  ANWR's estimated total
production would meet 9 months of our present demand but ANWR will be
meeting a fraction of that demand over time.  The statistic doesn't mean
that ANWR will only pump for 9 months.  Today, extreme measures, measures
developed over the North Slope's production life, are used to extract oil.

The 500 million gallon gas figure looks way too high but it amounts to only
1.67 gallons of gas per person per day.

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