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OT: AT&T and usenet access

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Posted by Randy on August 10, 2009, 9:41 am
6 weeks ago, AT&T announced that effective July 15th, they would no longer
provide Usenet access as a part of their internet access services.  Further,
they stated that If AT&T customers wanted Usenet access, they could get it
for an additional fee through 3rd party providers.

I called AT&T, asking for a fee reduction because they had unilaterally
reduced services.  They gave me a $0 a month reduction for 6 months.

I have since switched my ISP to a cable company and have canceled all
services from AT&T, including local phone service.  I have switched to Magic
Jack VoIP phone service.  It works very well and this combination has
reduced my monthly bills by $0 a month.

It seems to me that some lawyer who wants to make a name for him/her self
has a very good class action suit against AT&T for their stopping usenet
with no fee reduction after 4years of providing the service.  Any takers?

Posted by Mr. G on August 11, 2009, 4:15 am
(rmaheux@cfl.rr.com) says...

Not too likely.  First, I would say you should be happy that AT&T was
giving you free Usenet access as part of the service until now.  There
once was a time when most ISPs gave Usenet access as part of the
service, but nearly all of them stopped doing that years ago.

You won't have much luck trying to sue a company because they stopped
handing out a freebie.  And I'm quite sure the Terms of Service which
you agreed to (but probably didn't read) gives them an out with this.  
AT&T does have a few lawyers on their payroll.

Posted by Davoud on August 11, 2009, 2:08 pm
 Mr. G:

You are correct that no one is likely to beat AT&T on this. You are
mistaken, however, in asserting that Usenet is a "freebie" that ISP's
"gave" as some sort of bonus. Usenet is part and parcel of the
Internet, and the ISPs have no more right to eliminate it than they
have to eliminate one's access to e-mail or the WWW--unless the
contract to which one agreed specified that the ISP would make only
certain parts of the Internet accessible.


I agree with everything that you have said and everything that
you will say in your entire life.

usenet *at* davidillig dawt com

Posted by Michelle Steiner on August 11, 2009, 2:59 pm

Um, they have not made in inaccessible; you can still access it through
usenet providers.  They are no more required to provide a news server
than they are a web server or email server unless the contract promises

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Posted by Le Forgeron on August 11, 2009, 9:24 pm
 Le 11/08/2009 16:59, Michelle Steiner nous fit lire :

The two sole interests of an ISP to provide Usenet, are :
 1. factor the needed bandwidth exchanged at the ISP boundary.
 (1 server getting all updates ONCE, instead of many users fetching
 the same articles millions time; Remember, ISP do pay real money for
the bandwidth they actually use with their neighbours)
 2. controls what is actually seen (censorship).

1 is become negligeable versus blog/facebook/web traffic;
2 costs people to manage that.

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