Posted by News on April 27, 2012, 11:20 am
On 4/26/2012 7:39 PM, Bruce Richmond wrote:
>> On 4/26/2012 12:33 AM, Bruce Richmond wrote:
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>>>> On 4/25/2012 1:09 PM, Bruce Richmond wrote:
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>>>>>> On 4/24/2012 7:22 PM, Bruce Richmond wrote:
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>>>>>>>> On 4/24/2012 9:50 AM, bwilson4web wrote:
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>>>>>>>>> A little pricy, $3/each, I bought two, Toyota SAE papers discussing
>>>>>>>>> the Prius c:
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>>>>>>>>> 2012-01-1017 - Development of the New THS-II Powertrain for Compact
>>>>>>>>> Vehicles
>>>>>>>>> 2012-01-0623 - Development of New Hybrid Transaxle for Sub-Compact-
>>>>>>>>> Class
>>>>>>>>> Vehicles
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>>>>>>>>> I don't know your technical background but I found both papers covered
>>>>>>>>> my technical questions:
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>>>>>>>>> o 1.5L engine with cooled exhaust gas recirculation - improves
high-
>>>>>>>>> power efficiency
>>>>>>>>> o 20 module battery - saves weight
>>>>>>>>> o important transaxle design changes - saves weight, volume, and
>>>>>>>>> reduced noise
>>>>>>>>> o improved control laws - optimized for short trips
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>>>>>>>>> The 'Prius c' is in effect a refined version of the NHW11 (2001-03)
>>>>>>>>> but 265 lbs lighter and the practicality of a hatchback. Acceleration
>>>>>>>>> is not as fast as the 1.8L ZVW30 but it is still faster than
>>>>>>>>> competing, compact cars.
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>>>>>>>>> Bob Wilson
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>>>>>>>> Sluggish, in my opinion.- Hide quoted text -
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>>>>>>> So don't buy one.
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>>>>>> Indeed, I fully intended to, but now won't.- Hide quoted text -
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>>>>> Guess that will teach me, huh? With some dealers adding on extra mark-
>>>>> up just because they can, I'm sure the loss of the sale to you will
>>>>> leave them devestated.
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>>>> Be sure to demand a discount. And invest in spell-check.- Hide quoted text
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>>> That's a good troll. When you've got nothing go for the spelling
>>> error.
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>> Troll? Just helping you avoid a sluggish first-year model, and if not
>> that, save a few bucks on rapacious dealer markups, which you seem
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> And where did I say that I couldn't avoid those markups, troll? I
> only said that some dealers were trying to make them. Most would take
> that as a suggestion to shop around and find one that sisn't play that
> game. Seems you have a reading comprehension problem.
And you still have that spelling problem... moron.
Posted by Bruce Richmond on April 27, 2012, 11:28 pm
> On 4/26/2012 7:39 PM, Bruce Richmond wrote:
> >> On 4/26/2012 12:33 AM, Bruce Richmond wrote:
> >>>> On 4/25/2012 1:09 PM, Bruce Richmond wrote:
> >>>>>> On 4/24/2012 7:22 PM, Bruce Richmond wrote:
> >>>>>>>> On 4/24/2012 9:50 AM, bwilson4web wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> A little pricy, $3/each, I bought two, Toyota SAE papers discussing
> >>>>>>>>> the Prius c:
> >>>>>>>>> 2012-01-1017 - Development of the New THS-II Powertrain for Compact
> >>>>>>>>> Vehicles
> >>>>>>>>> 2012-01-0623 - Development of New Hybrid Transaxle for Sub-Compact-
> >>>>>>>>> Class
> >>>>>>>>> Vehicles
> >>>>>>>>> I don't know your technical background but I found both papers covered
> >>>>>>>>> my technical questions:
> >>>>>>>>> o 1.5L engine with cooled exhaust gas recirculation - improves high-
> >>>>>>>>> power efficiency
> >>>>>>>>> o 20 module battery - saves weight
> >>>>>>>>> o important transaxle design changes - saves weight, volume, and
> >>>>>>>>> reduced noise
> >>>>>>>>> o improved control laws - optimized for short trips
> >>>>>>>>> The 'Prius c' is in effect a refined version of the NHW11 (2001-03)
> >>>>>>>>> but 265 lbs lighter and the practicality of a hatchback. Acceleration
> >>>>>>>>> is not as fast as the 1.8L ZVW30 but it is still faster than
> >>>>>>>>> competing, compact cars.
> >>>>>>>>> Bob Wilson
> >>>>>>>> Sluggish, in my opinion.- Hide quoted text -
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> >>>>>>> So don't buy one.
> >>>>>> Indeed, I fully intended to, but now won't.- Hide quoted text -
> >>>>>> - Show quoted text -
> >>>>> Guess that will teach me, huh? With some dealers adding on extra mark-
> >>>>> up just because they can, I'm sure the loss of the sale to you will
> >>>>> leave them devestated.
> >>>> Be sure to demand a discount. And invest in spell-check.- Hide quoted text -
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> >>> That's a good troll. When you've got nothing go for the spelling
> >>> error.
> >> Troll? Just helping you avoid a sluggish first-year model, and if not
> >> that, save a few bucks on rapacious dealer markups, which you seem
> >> unable to do for yourself.- Hide quoted text -
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> > And where did I say that I couldn't avoid those markups, troll? I
> > only said that some dealers were trying to make them. Most would take
> > that as a suggestion to shop around and find one that sisn't play that
> > game. Seems you have a reading comprehension problem.
> And you still have that spelling problem... moron.- Hide quoted text -
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That's a good troll. When you've got nothing go for the spelling
error.
[plonk]
Posted by News on April 28, 2012, 12:19 am
On 4/27/2012 7:28 PM, Bruce Richmond wrote:
>> On 4/26/2012 7:39 PM, Bruce Richmond wrote:
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>>>> On 4/26/2012 12:33 AM, Bruce Richmond wrote:
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>>>>>> On 4/25/2012 1:09 PM, Bruce Richmond wrote:
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>>>>>>>> On 4/24/2012 7:22 PM, Bruce Richmond wrote:
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>>>>>>>>>> On 4/24/2012 9:50 AM, bwilson4web wrote:
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>>>>>>>>>>> A little pricy, $3/each, I bought two, Toyota SAE papers discussing
>>>>>>>>>>> the Prius c:
>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 2012-01-1017 - Development of the New THS-II Powertrain for Compact
>>>>>>>>>>> Vehicles
>>>>>>>>>>> 2012-01-0623 - Development of New Hybrid Transaxle for Sub-Compact-
>>>>>>>>>>> Class
>>>>>>>>>>> Vehicles
>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I don't know your technical background but I found both papers
covered
>>>>>>>>>>> my technical questions:
>>
>>>>>>>>>>> o 1.5L engine with cooled exhaust gas recirculation -
improves high-
>>>>>>>>>>> power efficiency
>>>>>>>>>>> o 20 module battery - saves weight
>>>>>>>>>>> o important transaxle design changes - saves weight, volume,
and
>>>>>>>>>>> reduced noise
>>>>>>>>>>> o improved control laws - optimized for short trips
>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The 'Prius c' is in effect a refined version of the NHW11 (2001-03)
>>>>>>>>>>> but 265 lbs lighter and the practicality of a hatchback. Acceleration
>>>>>>>>>>> is not as fast as the 1.8L ZVW30 but it is still faster than
>>>>>>>>>>> competing, compact cars.
>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Bob Wilson
>>
>>>>>>>>>> Sluggish, in my opinion.- Hide quoted text -
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>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>
>>>>>>>>> So don't buy one.
>>
>>>>>>>> Indeed, I fully intended to, but now won't.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>
>>>>>>> Guess that will teach me, huh? With some dealers adding on extra mark-
>>>>>>> up just because they can, I'm sure the loss of the sale to you will
>>>>>>> leave them devestated.
>>
>>>>>> Be sure to demand a discount. And invest in spell-check.- Hide quoted
text -
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>>>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>
>>>>> That's a good troll. When you've got nothing go for the spelling
>>>>> error.
>>
>>>> Troll? Just helping you avoid a sluggish first-year model, and if not
>>>> that, save a few bucks on rapacious dealer markups, which you seem
>>>> unable to do for yourself.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>>>> - Show quoted text -
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>>> And where did I say that I couldn't avoid those markups, troll? I
>>> only said that some dealers were trying to make them. Most would take
>>> that as a suggestion to shop around and find one that sisn't play that
>>> game. Seems you have a reading comprehension problem.
>>
>> And you still have that spelling problem... moron.- Hide quoted text -
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>> - Show quoted text -
> That's a good troll. When you've got nothing go for the spelling
> error.
> [plonk]
An 'A' for spelling! On the topic, stay ignorant.
Posted by DanielleOM on April 25, 2012, 2:02 am
On 4/22/2012 6:19 PM, rjdriver wrote:
>> On 4/19/2012 6:34 AM, rjdriver wrote:
>>>> After driving my 1999 Nissan Sentra SE (140HP) for 230K miles I am
>>>> thinking about a new car. Prior to that I owned a Mazda 323, both with
>>>> manual transmissions.
>>>>
>>>> From all of the cost to own data I can find it looks like the Prius C
>>>> is
>>>> one of the lowest cost cars to own on the market. After being affected
>>>> by
>>>> a restructuring at age 60, that factor is now very important to me. I
>>>> have also found that I am still driving and putting miles on the car
>>>> going
>>>> to various networking events. The Nissan although performing well needs
>>>> work to pass emissions, tie rod ends and ball joints. Luckily I have
>>>> enough cash to purchase a new car.
>>>>
>>>> In many ways I thought the Prius C would fit my needs. However I am
>>>> concerned by the lack of acceleration. I think got very used to being
>>>> able to drop the Nissan down to a lower gear and quickly jockey myself
>>>> the
>>>> position I wanted to be in to merge into traffic.
>>>>
>>>> Any one go from a high HP car to a Prius? Have any difficulty with the
>>>> reduced HP?
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>>>> I live in Connecticut. In practice I drive on lot of 2 lane country
>>>> roads
>>>> where passing is rarely done. But it's nice to know the HP is there
>>>> when
>>>> I need it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Danielle
>>> Had my Prius C3 about two weeks now, and when I first test drove it, I
>>> felt
>>> the same way you did. And like you, I wasn't coming from a very powerful
>>> engine either- just a 4 cylindar 2003 Accord. Going from a 2.4 engine to
>>> 1.5 engine, even though in a much ligher car, there is bound to be some
>>> difference, but I think most of it is the deceptive way the CV
>>> transmission
>>> works. You don't get that momentary seat of the pance surge you would
>>> get
>>> when down shifting a manual, or even when an automatic downshifts in
>>> response to you flooring the pedal.
>>>
>>> The CVT works very gradually, and often the only feedback that you are
>>> accelarating is when you see the numbers on the speedo rising, and of
>>> course
>>> the sound of that smaller engine trying to keep up with your demands. It
>>> takes some getting used to, and if you drive it in Eco mode, engine
>>> response
>>> is even more muted. Turn Eco off, and you lose a few MPG, but engine
>>> response will be at least a lttle better, but the CVT will always make it
>>> feel less responsive than you are used to.
>>>
>>> I think most Prius owners will tell you, and it's happening to me
>>> already,
>>> that the car sort of challenges you to drive differently. The constant
>>> feedback on the dashboard display of what every little gas pedal movement
>>> is
>>> doing to your gas milage is a powerful inducement to moderate old habits,
>>> and a reminder of exactly why you bought the car - saving on gas. I try
>>> to
>>> drive in Eco mode all the time, but old habits are hard to break so once
>>> in
>>> a while I turn it off just to have a little more fun with the car on some
>>> back roads. I tend to drive fast - almost always over the speed limits,
>>> and
>>> I may be one of the few Prius owners with radar detector on the
>>> dashboard.
>>> So I find myself driving a little slower now. Maybe only 10 miles over
>>> the
>>> limit where I would have done 15 before, but I still don't want to be the
>>> one pulled over for the ticket, so the detector will stay there. But I
>>> sure
>>> am enjoying the steady 50-55 MPG.
>>>
>>>
>>> Bob
>>>
>>>
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>> Hi Bob, Thank you for your in depth reply. I suppose that I have not yet
>> ruled out the car. There are certainly aspects of the car that I really
>> like.
>>
>> I thought I would get the two. From what I see the main difference
>> between the two and the three are electronic items.
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>> Danielle
> I started out with the two in mind. Figured I would replace the radio with
> an aftermarket unit. The display was just too dim for my eyes. I hadn't
> had steel wheels in a very long time, but was trying to keep it to a certain
> price.
> In the end, bolstered by a small lottery win, I was able to bridge the gap
> between the two and a three with alloy wheels, and that's where I ended up.
> Glad I did. The audio/nav system is really nice. And keyless entry has
> already saved me some scratches near the door handle. My 9 year old Accord
> was full of them. I'm not sure if the two has voice activation, but that
> feature is not just a neat toy, it's a great way to not have to take your
> eyes off the road. I never got into iPods, so I converted a bunch of my CDs
> to MP3s, loaded them on a USB thumb drive, and have that plugged in all the
> time. No fumbling with CDs anymore. I just say "Play" "Bonnie Raite
> Luck of the Draw", and a second or two later, the album starts playing. Of
> course, you can do that with MP3s loaded to a smart phone as well.
> Dropped into the dealer today with a few questions and they said that C was
> getting harder and harder to get, that I was lucky a got mine when I did.
> Toyota didn't anticipate the demand. When they introduced it in Japan in
> December they planned on selling 12000/month. They now have the single
> plant making it on constant ovetime to keep up with the sales that are 5
> times what they expected. I got mine before they started their advertising
> blitz here in the US. Now that the word is out more widely, there are not
> enough to go around. I hear one dealer in Florida is tacking a $800
> "market adjustement" on top of the sticker price.
> It's not a perfect car by any means. The seats could use lumbar support,
> the visors could use extenders, an anti sway bar is needed in the rear to
> reduce body lean when you push it hard, and the audio/nav system could use a
> sun shade when in direct sunlight, but again - there's that 50-55 MPG
> bringing the smile back to my face.
> Happy shopping.
> Bob
Although, I have reservations about the acceleration, I will be getting
the Prius C Three in habanero color. I should be picking it up tomorrow
afternoon. I used to own a Mazda 323 with about the same HP and I
suspect they are not terribly different in size.
Most of the time here in CT we seem to drive at 35 - 50 miles per hour
over rolling hills.
Danielle
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>>>> On 4/25/2012 1:09 PM, Bruce Richmond wrote:
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>>>>>> On 4/24/2012 7:22 PM, Bruce Richmond wrote:
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>>>>>>>> On 4/24/2012 9:50 AM, bwilson4web wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>>> A little pricy, $3/each, I bought two, Toyota SAE papers discussing
>>>>>>>>> the Prius c:
>>
>>>>>>>>> 2012-01-1017 - Development of the New THS-II Powertrain for Compact
>>>>>>>>> Vehicles
>>>>>>>>> 2012-01-0623 - Development of New Hybrid Transaxle for Sub-Compact-
>>>>>>>>> Class
>>>>>>>>> Vehicles
>>
>>>>>>>>> I don't know your technical background but I found both papers covered
>>>>>>>>> my technical questions:
>>
>>>>>>>>> o 1.5L engine with cooled exhaust gas recirculation - improves