Posted by bob on March 7, 2007, 2:44 am
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>>
>> problem is the hybrid system has an 8yr, 100k mi warranty - and the
>> hybrid battery system is by far the most likely culprit on the car - and
>> costs many thousands to replace.
>>
>> bob
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>>
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> Odd you should say that. I only know of a handful of hybrid battery
> replacements. They are proving themselves to be exceptionally reliable.
they are EXCEPTIONALLY reliable by battery standards - the batteries will
probably last around 10 yrs..the problem is that cars last more than 10 yrs
(decent ones)..every prius in its lifetime should se 1-2 battery set
replacements - and at the current costs for new ones, that's really tough to
swallow.
> Google "honda transmission fail" (no quotes) and you will see 610,000
> results - how the transmission fails, what to do about it... then google
> "prius battery fail" and you will see 115,000 results - discussions about
> what happens if the battery fails, wondering if the battery will fail....
recall that the prius hybrid hasn't been around long enough for the batts to
start failing in large #s yet..give it another 3-4 yrs for the data to come
in.
> There have always been more good used bateries for sale from wrecked Prius
> cars than there has been a demand for them. The going rate is $00 to
> $000 used, depending on how patient the buyer is. Since a bad one is
> worth $00 from Toyota, that isn't too shabby.
yes, today, that is true..but in 3-4 yrs, when the batts begin failing in
large #s, that will change..my hope is for a nice aftermarket developer to
get in the game with those batteries.
bob
Posted by Bob Wilson on March 7, 2007, 8:35 am
> > Odd you should say that. I only know of a handful of hybrid battery
> > replacements. They are proving themselves to be exceptionally reliable.
>
> they are EXCEPTIONALLY reliable by battery standards - the batteries will
> probably last around 10 yrs..the problem is that cars last more than 10 yrs
> (decent ones)..every prius in its lifetime should se 1-2 battery set
> replacements - and at the current costs for new ones, that's really tough to
> swallow.
Fortunately, there are plenty of salvage batteries available for very
good prices. Furthermore, battery technologies are improving and prices
are going down. Also, there may be a fairly simple way to refubish
battery packs by replacing electrolyte in marginal cells and rebuilding
replacements. Think of it as the battery equivalent of rebuilding an
engine. The technology is not that hard.
However, if you are risk adverse, just sell the car before the battery
fails. Do let me know how much your asking.
Bob Wilson
Posted by bob on March 7, 2007, 12:21 pm
>> > Odd you should say that. I only know of a handful of hybrid battery
>> > replacements. They are proving themselves to be exceptionally reliable.
>>
>> they are EXCEPTIONALLY reliable by battery standards - the batteries will
>> probably last around 10 yrs..the problem is that cars last more than 10
>> yrs
>> (decent ones)..every prius in its lifetime should se 1-2 battery set
>> replacements - and at the current costs for new ones, that's really tough
>> to
>> swallow.
> Fortunately, there are plenty of salvage batteries available for very
> good prices. Furthermore, battery technologies are improving and prices
> are going down. Also, there may be a fairly simple way to refubish
> battery packs by replacing electrolyte in marginal cells and rebuilding
> replacements. Think of it as the battery equivalent of rebuilding an
> engine. The technology is not that hard.
> However, if you are risk adverse, just sell the car before the battery
> fails. Do let me know how much your asking.
the car's brand new..i plan to sell it at 80k miles, 20k before the batt
warranty..i'm asking sticker. :-) hehe
bob
Posted by Bob Wilson on March 9, 2007, 2:30 pm
> > Fortunately, there are plenty of salvage batteries available for very
> > good prices. Furthermore, battery technologies are improving and prices
> > are going down. Also, there may be a fairly simple way to refubish
> > battery packs by replacing electrolyte in marginal cells and rebuilding
> > replacements. Think of it as the battery equivalent of rebuilding an
> > engine. The technology is not that hard.
> >
> > However, if you are risk adverse, just sell the car before the battery
> > fails. Do let me know how much your asking.
>
> the car's brand new..i plan to sell it at 80k miles, 20k before the batt
> warranty..i'm asking sticker. :-) hehe
Depending upon the price of gas, you may get it.
Bob Wilson
Posted by Michael Pardee on March 7, 2007, 11:30 pm
>>>
>>>
>>> problem is the hybrid system has an 8yr, 100k mi warranty - and the
>>> hybrid battery system is by far the most likely culprit on the car - and
>>> costs many thousands to replace.
>>>
>>> bob
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Odd you should say that. I only know of a handful of hybrid battery
>> replacements. They are proving themselves to be exceptionally reliable.
> they are EXCEPTIONALLY reliable by battery standards - the batteries will
> probably last around 10 yrs..the problem is that cars last more than 10
> yrs (decent ones)..every prius in its lifetime should se 1-2 battery set
> replacements - and at the current costs for new ones, that's really tough
> to swallow.
>> Google "honda transmission fail" (no quotes) and you will see 610,000
>> results - how the transmission fails, what to do about it... then google
>> "prius battery fail" and you will see 115,000 results - discussions about
>> what happens if the battery fails, wondering if the battery will fail....
> recall that the prius hybrid hasn't been around long enough for the batts
> to start failing in large #s yet..give it another 3-4 yrs for the data to
> come in.
>> There have always been more good used bateries for sale from wrecked
>> Prius cars than there has been a demand for them. The going rate is $00
>> to $000 used, depending on how patient the buyer is. Since a bad one is
>> worth $00 from Toyota, that isn't too shabby.
> yes, today, that is true..but in 3-4 yrs, when the batts begin failing in
> large #s, that will change..my hope is for a nice aftermarket developer to
> get in the game with those batteries.
> bob
How do you come up with the estimate? Toyota has stated they chose the NiMH
over LiIon because the NiMH has no specific life limitations. Like the
Edison cell, they could theoretically last centuries. Theoretically, of
course, because they are in a vehicle that tends to bump along the road. But
so far (and the Prius has been sold for 10 years in Japan) the rise in
battery failures that would signal trouble has not yet been seen.
Mike
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>>
>> problem is the hybrid system has an 8yr, 100k mi warranty - and the
>> hybrid battery system is by far the most likely culprit on the car - and
>> costs many thousands to replace.
>>
>> bob
>>>
>>
>>
> Odd you should say that. I only know of a handful of hybrid battery
> replacements. They are proving themselves to be exceptionally reliable.