Posted by bob on March 8, 2007, 12:25 am
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>> problem is the hybrid system has an 8yr, 100k mi warranty - and the
>>>> hybrid battery system is by far the most likely culprit on the car -
>>>> and costs many thousands to replace.
>>>>
>>>> bob
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Odd you should say that. I only know of a handful of hybrid battery
>>> replacements. They are proving themselves to be exceptionally reliable.
>>
>> they are EXCEPTIONALLY reliable by battery standards - the batteries will
>> probably last around 10 yrs..the problem is that cars last more than 10
>> yrs (decent ones)..every prius in its lifetime should se 1-2 battery set
>> replacements - and at the current costs for new ones, that's really tough
>> to swallow.
>>
>>> Google "honda transmission fail" (no quotes) and you will see 610,000
>>> results - how the transmission fails, what to do about it... then google
>>> "prius battery fail" and you will see 115,000 results - discussions
>>> about what happens if the battery fails, wondering if the battery will
>>> fail....
>>
>> recall that the prius hybrid hasn't been around long enough for the batts
>> to start failing in large #s yet..give it another 3-4 yrs for the data to
>> come in.
>>
>>> There have always been more good used bateries for sale from wrecked
>>> Prius cars than there has been a demand for them. The going rate is $00
>>> to $000 used, depending on how patient the buyer is. Since a bad one is
>>> worth $00 from Toyota, that isn't too shabby.
>>
>> yes, today, that is true..but in 3-4 yrs, when the batts begin failing in
>> large #s, that will change..my hope is for a nice aftermarket developer
>> to get in the game with those batteries.
>>
>> bob
>>
> How do you come up with the estimate? Toyota has stated they chose the
> NiMH over LiIon because the NiMH has no specific life limitations. Like
> the Edison cell, they could theoretically last centuries. Theoretically,
> of course, because they are in a vehicle that tends to bump along the
> road. But so far (and the Prius has been sold for 10 years in Japan) the
> rise in battery failures that would signal trouble has not yet been seen.
hopefully you're right. but they warrant the battery for 8 yrs, makes me
believe it has a 10-12yr life.
bob
Posted by Michelle Steiner on March 10, 2007, 6:59 am
> hopefully you're right. but they warrant the battery for 8 yrs, makes
> me believe it has a 10-12yr life.
The basic warranty on the car is 3 years, so does that mean that the car
has only a five to six year life? The engine and drive train are
warranted for five years; does that mean that their lives are only seven
to ten years?
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Posted by bob on March 10, 2007, 8:49 pm
>> hopefully you're right. but they warrant the battery for 8 yrs, makes
>> me believe it has a 10-12yr life.
> The basic warranty on the car is 3 years, so does that mean that the car
> has only a five to six year life? The engine and drive train are
> warranted for five years; does that mean that their lives are only seven
> to ten years?
no. but batteries have fairly predictable lives depending on cycles and
ambient temp.....far different from knowing, when, for ex, a transaxle will
crap out..
bob
Posted by Michelle Steiner on March 10, 2007, 11:34 pm
> >> hopefully you're right. but they warrant the battery for 8 yrs,
> >> makes me believe it has a 10-12yr life.
> >
> > The basic warranty on the car is 3 years, so does that mean that
> > the car has only a five to six year life? The engine and drive
> > train are warranted for five years; does that mean that their lives
> > are only seven to ten years?
>
> no. but batteries have fairly predictable lives depending on cycles
> and ambient temp.....far different from knowing, when, for ex, a
> transaxle will crap out..
And that has absolutely *nothing* to do with the length of the warranty,
despite your surmise that they are related to such a tight degree.
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Posted by Michelle Steiner on March 10, 2007, 6:59 am
> hopefully you're right. but they warrant the battery for 8 yrs, makes
> me believe it has a 10-12yr life.
Oh, I almost forgot; in some states, the battery warranty is for 10
years. Does that mean that it has a 13 to 15 year life?
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>> problem is the hybrid system has an 8yr, 100k mi warranty - and the
>>>> hybrid battery system is by far the most likely culprit on the car -
>>>> and costs many thousands to replace.
>>>>
>>>> bob
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Odd you should say that. I only know of a handful of hybrid battery
>>> replacements. They are proving themselves to be exceptionally reliable.
>>
>> they are EXCEPTIONALLY reliable by battery standards - the batteries will
>> probably last around 10 yrs..the problem is that cars last more than 10
>> yrs (decent ones)..every prius in its lifetime should se 1-2 battery set
>> replacements - and at the current costs for new ones, that's really tough
>> to swallow.
>>
>>> Google "honda transmission fail" (no quotes) and you will see 610,000
>>> results - how the transmission fails, what to do about it... then google
>>> "prius battery fail" and you will see 115,000 results - discussions
>>> about what happens if the battery fails, wondering if the battery will
>>> fail....
>>
>> recall that the prius hybrid hasn't been around long enough for the batts
>> to start failing in large #s yet..give it another 3-4 yrs for the data to
>> come in.
>>
>>> There have always been more good used bateries for sale from wrecked
>>> Prius cars than there has been a demand for them. The going rate is $00
>>> to $000 used, depending on how patient the buyer is. Since a bad one is
>>> worth $00 from Toyota, that isn't too shabby.
>>
>> yes, today, that is true..but in 3-4 yrs, when the batts begin failing in
>> large #s, that will change..my hope is for a nice aftermarket developer
>> to get in the game with those batteries.
>>
>> bob
>>
> How do you come up with the estimate? Toyota has stated they chose the
> NiMH over LiIon because the NiMH has no specific life limitations. Like
> the Edison cell, they could theoretically last centuries. Theoretically,
> of course, because they are in a vehicle that tends to bump along the
> road. But so far (and the Prius has been sold for 10 years in Japan) the
> rise in battery failures that would signal trouble has not yet been seen.